I thought this was supposed to be a community ground for the City of Salford? Now we are the minor tenant with our identity slowing being removed. We have no shop and essentially a stadium getting more blue by the minute. Ask Irlam Hornets how they have been treated or what happened to the club shop.

I can tell you once we have no ground thats it no more salford. Regardless of a few good seasons under Koukash.

Sale have already played this strategy once at stockport county. Ask them how they are doing?

They hit clubs when they are weak. As for they have done nothing wrong argument, in the legal sense thats true. But thats not the same as acting honourably.

We need to support in force next year, but we need to resist losing control of our ground. Or all Mr Koukash's effort will be in vain.

Koukash is doing everything he can to help us but as I have said before we are far from safe as a club.

We don't know what Peel and Kennedy (Sale) are up to in the long run.

Neither of which has a proud history in they way they conduct them selves.

On Stalybridge station perhaps ?

"And you pay your council tax too"

YES but, in case you're new to the board or to reading, ... to Rochdale MBC!

Seeing as you claim that you don't know what Peel and Kennedy are upto your statement is quite inflamatory.

As far as Peel are concerned weren't they trying to help your previous regime to a new ground, one they (you) couldn't afford to develop or even it would seem pay rent? Admittedly, this gesture was probably borne out of self interest, currying favour with the City Council, a bit of planning gain?

With regards to Kennedy I don't know the facts, but, aren't the ownership issues of Edgeley Park and your shared stadium completely different? Didn't Stockport County effectively become tenants in their own home (probably not nice)? Whereas you are both tenants and due to the parlous state of your club pre Koukash you have been forced onto the back foot.

Sale have excercised their legal rights nothing more and can they be blamed for that? You would have done the same if you had the wherewithall at the time of negotiating the deal?

I think the naming rights were used as a bargaining tool to get Sale to sign the tenancy agreement they were obviously dragging their heels with. Why else would the stadium management company agree to sell the naming rights for a price lower than market value, allowing the Sharks to take some profit from something they could have taken more profit from themselves?

It was ludicrous,on the face of it, that the Stadium company sold the rights to Sale who could then profit from the onward selling to Bell.
But, we need to think back to the circumstances at the time,not now with the benefit of hindsight.
They'd built a stadium and had a tenant that not only failed to pay its rent,apparently,but also looked as if they would go bust owing even more money to Peel and the Council,the stadium owners.
It's hardly surprising they laid on a sweetener to Sale .

Quote: Bonita Red " They'd built a stadium and had a tenant that not only failed to pay its rent,apparently,but also looked as if they would go bust owing even more money to Peel and the Council,the stadium owners. .'" MEN article from the time of the original announcement of Sale moving in: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ust-686159 There's a lot that can be dismantled there with the benefit of hindsight - particularly Tarry rolling out the "we continue to be a well run club" mantra.

Quote: Bonita Red " They'd built a stadium and had a tenant that not only failed to pay its rent,apparently,but also looked as if they would go bust owing even more money to Peel and the Council,the stadium owners. .'" MEN article from the time of the original announcement of Sale moving in: www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... ust-686159 There's a lot that can be dismantled there with the benefit of hindsight - particularly Tarry rolling out the "we continue to be a well run club" mantra.

What price were the rights sold for and how do you know that was lower than "market value"?

ATEOTD the value of anything is what you can get for it, clearly the joint venture company made a judgement call at a particular moment and sold the rights to Sale. Sale have now presumably received an amount of cash from AJ Bell in return for them being able to name the stadium for a number of years - we don't know what else is tied up in that deal so I think it's very difficult to attribute a "market value"

If the price wasn't lower than what Sale believed the 'market value' to be they wouldn't have invested in the naming rights. I guarantee you one thing Sale won't have sold them for less than what they paid the SMC for them.

I agree with you Barton.

Fact of the matter is a few of you are getting your knickers in a twist over something which at the time was completely out of the clubs control.

If as stated on numerous occasions the Dr is the wealthy man he is a few bob earned on the naming rights of that stadium will hardly cause a ripple.

A few of you should concentrate more on what the product may or may not be like on the field next season.

Without knowing the commercial ins & outs of the contracts there is no way you can guarantee any such thing:

How long is Sale's lease?
If their lease outlasts the AJ Bell deal can they sell the rights again?
Have AJ Bell got the naming rights as part of a wider sponsorship deal with Sale?

Of course Sale must believe it's a good deal for them otherwise they wouldn't do it, but what's wrong with that? We all have to exist in world of commercial reality (apart from the bankers )

I still can't see how you think Sale somehow got the rights below "market value".

As I've said previously this thread is all so much teeth gnashing & bravado after the event , considering , the deed . ( stadium rights ) were sold nearly a year ago even more so , a year ago we had other more pressing matter on our minds .

Having a retail outlet at the Stadium and possibly another location is far more important than fretting after the event .

As for the Stadium sponsors , I don't have an issue with their Initials , I will refer to it hence forth as the 'the Augustus John Stadium .. I just won't need to use their surname .

They also have naming rights At Old Trafford Cricket & the PSA Mens World Squash Championships. since like it or not they have the brand on the stadium until 2022, it would be a priority for Salford to approach them since it seems they are keen to link their firm with Mcr Area stadiums & sports , not just Rugger.

Nice try but I'm not falling for it. You are winding me up aren't you? Character