RED LEAGUE thanks a bunch for lumping me with him. I don't 'do' twitter mind you doesn't RL say that? and I have certainly no interest in twittering with Marwan Koukash should I ever get 'twittered up'

I know that you are 'only' fans mate and not necessarily policy makers at the Club. I'm 'only' a fan also, all be it of another Club, may be that's where I'm going wrong?

I suppose I'm interested in the plight of the game as a whole and you guys are an interesting, given your recent situation, was it only a year ago? Where you are now and where you could be potentially should the team be successful and how attitudes change from some fans towards others less fortunate in this case Swinton

Red John apologies for "conflating" guilty as charged. For someone that didn't "really understand what your point is" you broke it down and responded particularly well once you had the measure of my conflating.

I agree that your stadium isn't well designed, despite having the luxury of being in the big stand for each of my visits and accept that you the fans might have a case for being dissatisfied. The three 'small' stands don't look great, but, I know that there was a Phase Two project lurking and surely the site lines to the ladies toilets can be sorted out, but, beyond that, what was your (the clubs) alternative, remaining at The Willows with its adequately screened lavatories obviously wasn't?

BTW when do the fans ever play the hand

Sorry for conflating again enjoy your 2014 season, when we next play I will make my way from The Jules Verne to the South Stand

jeez , the jules verne ;0) , what decade of the 20th century are you in ??? dont waste your hard earned in there , gerrin st mikes for a proper pint

That guy on Twitter IS NOT ME you clowns, my name isn't Mike it's Jonathan none of you know me and never will know me, I've had a pm off a lad on here who knows the guy on twitter basically telling me to stop portraying myself as the lad on twitter, I've told him and I'm telling you lot I'm not im a different person, I admit I look on twitter and continue on here whats being discussed on there but that's it, if I was that guy I'd amit it what difference is it going to make to my life if people know my real name? I'm on the Salford facebook page too yet nobody has managed to point me out on there.

I can't decide who's barmier, The Big Panjandrum or Uncle Rico.

Cheers for the answer: the dialectic needs responses!
Irlams o' th' Height is the part of Salford closest to Pendlebury and Swinton. For reasons I cannot fathom, when I lived there (infant to "adult"icon_wink.gif, it was often referred to as (phonetically) theights. Agecroft's a stone throw from the said hamlet. In fact my first "local" was the Britannia where I drank with miners from Agecroft colliery. The Brit and the Pack Horse are now under the huge roundabout where the A6, A666, and the A580 meet. Next to it is St John's where Geoff Bent (United) and Jim Valentine (Swinton) are buried.
Therefore I know where Agecroft is. It's not near Barton.

I feel we have the right to be critical as Barton has its faults. It's probably easier to access from Warrington than most of Salford! At the same time, we are grateful for the saving of Salford: very largely the good Doctor but also the stadium.
Grumbling is part of human nature.

Hey Jonathan, can you whack this pm on here for us to see? I'm sure the sender won't mind if it means an end to poor old Michael being wrongly portrayed on an internet forum he's never heard of. It will be good to finally put an end to this saga.

Not on Twitter but got a hashtag for your sig. Something very fishy about all this. Very fishy.

Indeed. Staying at the Willows was never really an option as it was pretty much landlocked and so couldn't be redeveloped economically. As "Framing the Future" required shiny new stadia, the pressure was on to build something new. The only site that could be found was one that was difficult to get to from anywhere within Salford, and, as someone else has pointed out, is possibly more accessible to Warrington fans than Salford fans. Initially, we were promised a futuristic stadium with the best sight lines possible, carpeted terracing, a mini-bar next to every seat, chauffeur driven limos to ferry fans around, the ability to pause live action on the pitch, etc. Unfortunately, the financial crash put paid to all that and we ended up with a generic Legoland build. I actually don't mind the stadium, and, in terms of most of the facilities it offers, it's a big improvement on The Willows, but the main facility I want is a decent view and the standing areas don't really offer that at the moment. Hence the disappointment. Maybe phase 2 (if it ever happens) will improve things.

So, there you have it. The club was dealt a poor hand and it's hard to see how it could have played it any differently. The fans never had a hand to play.

Firstly I'd say over 100 years of contributing to something isn't contributing nothing! Tell me, what is your knowledge of how Salford came to play at Barton and how Salford as a 'club' did not contribute?

Deal red fusilier, you will recognise me in my 1970's garb ha ha

Hang on a minute Black Cat, this forum seems to want it's cake and eat it? Any problems pre Koukash was the old regime nowt to do with whats going on now seems to be the message.

Yet you seem to be saying that the club's contribution is based on the fact that it has history on its side. Does it have any more history than say Swinton and by merely being around to be moved to a shiney new ground isn't really a contribution is it?

My point about the club's contribution, or lack of it, was of course aimed at the financial aspect of your move to Barton.,The City Council and Peel appear to have funded it and whilst I'm not sure about my facts I don't think the club's purse was open at the time, not to mention the business plan with 8,000 through the door every other week not really happening and is there still some back rent due may be from the 'old club'?

Great work

Then you should do some more research, start with Red City Developments.

Thanks for your input again Uncle Rico, smashing stuff. As I've suggested to a previous poster on this topic, your issue appears to be with UK companies law. Perhaps contacting your MP might be the thing to do if you have any concerns?