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| Wilky and the b.o.d have put us in this situation in my eyes,and that i have to accept,what i won`t accept is that people posting on here want me to welcome somebody who is associated with a sport that has tried in everywhich way it can to destroy the sport i love.If that makes me a bigot,dinosaur or whatever then im proud to be any of them so called names,i`ve nothing to be ashamed of anything my sport as tried to do to any other sport.
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| Quote: iBozz "Greetings, Ladies and Gentlemen
I come in peace as a Sale Sharks supporter, so please bear with me and hear me out.
Many of you are, presumably, somewhat apprehensive of our arrival at SCS Barton come the Autumn and several of you may even have read some somewhat colourful views about us expressed by a small yet vocal element of Stockport County supporters on both their own Yellow Board and the Glasgow Rangers board, the latter because of Brian Kennedy's interest in that football club.
May I urge you to put aside any prejudices which you might hold based on their respective views? Please take we Sale supporters as you find us, give us the benefit of the doubt and reserve judgement until we have been together for a while. Then, and only then, can you see what we are really like and we can see what you are like!
The vast majority of our supporters are decent people, following our own sport of choice - just as the vast majority of you are decent people following your sport of choice. We have our own small yet more excitable element, as no doubt do you, but they are not representative of the supporter base as a whole. The days of antagonism between Union and League are long gone and the two codes now exist side by side in harmony, as indeed they should.
I would imagine that you had as much say in, and were consulted just as deeply about, your move to Barton as were we - namely, not one single iota. Our respective moves were engineered, for whatever individual reasons, by your Club management and by our Club management. Sometimes, as non-corporate supporters, we seem to be at the bottom of the food chain - but that's life, like it or not.
Nevertheless, i do think that we needed a fresh home from Edgeley Park and I welcome the move (although public transport home on a Friday night is a really serious concern for me), especially after having a look around the stadium yesterday. I had even committed to a three year South Stand Season ticket blind, before I'd even seen the facilities save from the top of the Barton High Level Bridge!
There are several entities involved in the Sale side of things (known as The Unoffy) which will include details of final numbers and timings closer to the time. If you want to join us, either post your interest on there, as a reply to this thread on the Turkey or send me a PM and I'll add you to the list.
Let's make this work, one and all!
Regards, and good luck for your season.'"
Back to the original post, this gentleman has taken the time to come on here to offer the hand of friendship and to invite some fellow rugby fans to share a pint prior to a game.
You're all within your rights to accept or decline this offer, according to your preference. But I don't think the man deserves to be disrespected.
It's obvious some Salford fans are vehemently anti-union and see this, in quite dramatic terms, as 'sleeping with the enemy' but I think it's clear that not everybody thinks that way.
I'll certainly accept the OP's offer.
I won't apologise for some of the less enlightened comments on here any more than I'd expect the OP to apologise if someone I meet at Edgeley Park turns out to a bit of a bellend! League, union, rich, poor, black, white etc....bellends get everywhere.
All I'll suggest is that people at least try to be tolerant, behave courteously and treat others as they find them.
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| "The days of antagonism between Union and League are long gone and the two codes now exist side by side in harmony, as indeed they should."
Do they though?
Union was intent on destroying league for decades whereas League just got on with its business and ignored union. We never banned players for supporting league or playing another code. We didn't ban players for 'amateurising' themselves.
Union have only stopped attacking us since they themselves became professional and realised the hypocrisy of carring on as they were.
Knowing full well that their finances are vastly superior to ours, saw us as an irrelavence or a noisey and poor neighbour.
They tolerate us and i'd wager a bet that they only do that because they know occasionally we'll produce talented rugby players and rather than lose them to a completely unrelated sport like cricket or football, they'll have basic union skills as well as advanced league skills which sometimes translate to their game and make the transition easier.
People go on about league insecurities, but i think they're warranted, we are the pretty blonde poor girl with no prospects and union are the ugly rich fat man banker offering lifetime security and opening her up to a whole new level of society.
Union are not our friends and they never will be and if they had the power to kill off a sport at the flick of a finger they wouldn't touch football, they'd do it to league just out of spite.
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| Quote: Wayward Fan "Back to the original post, this gentleman has taken the time to come on here to offer the hand of friendship and to invite some fellow rugby fans to share a pint prior to a game.
You're all within your rights to accept or decline this offer, according to your preference. But I don't think the man deserves to be disrespected.
It's obvious some Salford fans are vehemently anti-union and see this, in quite dramatic terms, as 'sleeping with the enemy' but I think it's clear that not everybody thinks that way.
I'll certainly accept the OP's offer.
I won't apologise for some of the less enlightened comments on here any more than I'd expect the OP to apologise if someone I meet at Edgeley Park turns out to a bit of a bellend! League, union, rich, poor, black, white etc....bellends get everywhere.
All I'll suggest is that people at least try to be tolerant, behave courteously and treat others as they find them.'"
You are not kidding anybody,maybe yourself,but the enlightened can see right through you.
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| Enlightened ??
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| Some of our fans are a fuc*king embarrassment. We will have this discussion in 5 years time. In the mean time why don't you all go and w@nk Sale off go and watch them and suck Kennedy off
And o Fu*k off Tarry.
No1 can give me a positive as to why the Sale move is going to benefit Salford and the reasons that are given are quite frankly something only a chimp would believe. I know why don't we all go for a nice greek before the next Sale home game?
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| Has the penny not dropped yet? Nobody needs to give you a positive or otherwise. They are here now. And whether you choose to look for potential benefits and maintain a positive outlook or simply sulk and expect the worst to happen, it's an unalterable fact.
I'd actually have more respect for the doom mongers if they actually did something (arrange a demo, blockade the stadium, anything!) rather than just sulk behind behind a keyboard throwing out scattergun insults in all directions.
The truth is, I was annoyed when the Blue seats suddenly appeared and our club failed to be transparent about what was going on, I was annoyed by some of the disrespectful remarks that Diamond made in the press and I've no more idea than anyone else on here as to whether Kennedy's intentions are malicious.
But I also know that once Red City Developments died a death (can anybody believe in hindsight that we swallowed that fairy tale?) and we effectively agreed to assume the role of tenants, that it was inevitable that we would be sharing the stadium with someone else and that the someone else would almost certainly be Sale.
I'd have preferred us to have had a little longer to stamp our own mark on the stadium first (although there's little to suggest what difference this would make) and I'd have preferred it if our own club had been a little more open about what was going on. But that wouldn't have altered what in my opinion is/was an inevitability.
The point I will continue to make is that, regardless of your feelings on this inevitability, it's in the club's best interest to look forward and do all it can to ensure that it plays an active and equal role in this partnership.
If we're able to do this, there are a number of [ipotential [/ipositive outcomes (eg, improved transport links and stadium infrastructure, increased fan base, reduced overheads, increased corporate support).
However, if the club follows the lead set by some on here and chooses to sit back, sulk and wait for the worst to happen, then we are indeed doomed.
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| Very well put.
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| Quote: Wayward Fan "But I also know that once Red City Developments died a death (can anybody believe in hindsight that we swallowed that fairy tale?) '"
I like/dislike some of your (slang) but you have the conviction to follow it through so respect. But I love this one, didn't they just stay solvent long enough to get a franchise
You never know now there is nothing left in Weaste the Willows might go bust, and there might be problems with the land use agreements. Ow hang on.
As for embracing Rugger In Salford I'm a proud Dinosaur
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| Quote: Shark J "Some of the comments on here are laughable. I had to check the date then to realise it wasn't the early 1900s and it was in fact 2012.
Somebody used the term Dinosaur. That sums up some of the views perfectly.
If you think the divide between League and Union and indeed the working and middle classes is still exactly how it used to be you are absolutely warped.
Here's the harsh reality - I don't mean this in a snobby way as I like both codes, but a lot of Union fans don't actually give League the time of day. Now before you quote me on that one line let me make it clear what I mean. They don't think about League, it doesn't pass their minds, they get on supporting their own team, their own sport. It's not just me who feels this way, this comment I'm about to use is used on this, the Wigan forum and the Union thread too - but a lot of League fans have a chip on their shoulder when it comes to Union. It's a shame, as no Union fan I've ever met has had a bad word to say about the other code. As a United fan (Manchester United, but of course being from Salford you all support them and know who they are anyway) I know exactly what it's like. Stockport County fans absolutely hate us and City. Yet you ask a single United fan to name a Stockport player and they couldn't. Not through ignorance, not through dislike, but because Stockport simply don't effect their lives, it's not a club that doesn't pass through their minds. A lot of League fans seem to take a negative stand from the start. All because of a period that even their Grandfathers would be too young to remember. I think a very small minority of League fans care more about being working class than they care about their team. So what? You're working class? Good for you. So am I, it's not something I care about though or feel the need to go on about. Football is historically a working class sport, isn't it? You don't hear the fans going on about it all the time. Maybe that's to do with the fact times change. You're not telling me working class Joe pays £110 for a ticket at Arsenal every week are you? Has a corporate box at Old Trafford? My mates are all working class, yet some have done well for themselves, got 2 houses, 2 cars. Surely on paper they're middle class? Again, times change, things expand and develop. It's not as black and white as it once was. So no, the divide isn't the same as it once was.
If you're using historic references and judging Union as a sport for the middle classes down south, then fine. But in all my years supporting Sale I've never come across one toff, one person with plumbs in their mouth, one person who hates Rugby League. Over on our forum we've got Catalans, Wigan, Salford, Warrington and St Helens fans. Bitterness is a terrible thing. Whether you've been brought up to hate Union or whatever, fine. That's your life. But don't be coming on here telling us you know more about Sale fans than the Sale fans themselves without checking your facts first. I understand some people have had personal interactions with the League and Union divide, I'm not coming on here to tell you you're wrong. If that's happened to you, then it has, and it's a shame. I'm not thick enough to believe that elitism doesn't still exist in some areas. Personally though I couldn't give a poop. Granted there aren't many Sale or Rugby Union fans where I live compared to Football. But for me it's about the class on the field, not off it.
As I've said on here before - it's lucky a few of you are obviously keyboard warriors. As the majority are very pleasant and have been welcoming to Sale fans in the flesh and online. iBozz is a good guy and a gent, so to take what he said, knowing full well it was a nice, welcoming message and turning it into your own paranoia about Union still killing League is just not on.'"
Bore off! Go drink some pimms and watch your kick and clap in a stadium that you would never of had but for SRLFC!
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| Quote: Salford red all over "
As for embracing Rugger In Salford I'm a proud Dinosaur
Nobody needs to "embrace" anything, to be fair. We don't even have to like it. But we do need to move on and make the best of the situation.
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| Quote: Salford red all over "I like/dislike some of your poop (slang) but you have the conviction to follow it through so respect. But I love this one, didn't they just stay solvent long enough to get a franchise
As I said, it was a fairytale. "iconic" stadium, 'enabling' projects, super casinos, "richest club in the league" etc etc. Looking back in hindsight it seems ridiculous that anybody bought any of this (least of all the Super League licensing panel!).
What we now need to do is refocus on reality and make the most of the situation we find ourselves in. Is that really such a contentious statement to make?
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| Quote: Horatio Yed ""The days of antagonism between Union and League are long gone and the two codes now exist side by side in harmony, as indeed they should."
Do they though?
Union was intent on destroying league for decades whereas League just got on with its business and ignored union. We never banned players for supporting league or playing another code. We didn't ban players for 'amateurising' themselves.
Union have only stopped attacking us since they themselves became professional and realised the hypocrisy of carring on as they were.
Knowing full well that their finances are vastly superior to ours, saw us as an irrelavence or a noisey and poor neighbour.
They tolerate us and i'd wager a bet that they only do that because they know occasionally we'll produce talented rugby players and rather than lose them to a completely unrelated sport like cricket or football, they'll have basic union skills as well as advanced league skills which sometimes translate to their game and make the transition easier.
People go on about league insecurities, but i think they're warranted, we are the pretty blonde poor girl with no prospects and union are the ugly rich fat man banker offering lifetime security and opening her up to a whole new level of society.
Union are not our friends and they never will be and if they had the power to kill off a sport at the flick of a finger they wouldn't touch football, they'd do it to league just out of spite.'"
Love it! How any plastic league/Salford fan can accept Sale/Union whatsoever is beyond it for me! Its not draconian either, just common sense! F U C K OFF Sale and RU! I'll say it if no one else will!
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| Quote: Wayward Fan "
What we now need to do is refocus on reality and make the most of the situation we find ourselves in. Is that really such a contentious statement to make?'"
Not just that but all the other e you spoute! Salford RL and RL in general doesn't want or need people like you! You come across as always wanting inferiority to me rather than fighting the cause no matter how you want to spin it!
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| Quote: The Black Cat "Not just that but all the other poop you spoute! Salford RL and RL in general doesn't want or need people like you! You come across as always wanting inferiority to me rather than fighting the cause no matter how you want to spin it!'"
Whereas you're 'fighting the cause' how? Swearing at strangers on the internet?
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