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Quote: BigRedV "I'm a Saints fan so its hard to be unbiased but I didn't see any major problems. Certainly, every video decision was correct. The ref made one howler awarding us a penalty for ball-stealing but it didn't affect the result.'"

what about the blatant wilkin knock on at the play the ball that resulted in a try

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Have to disagree. The saints player grabbed on the shirt around the chest area and it was the saints players momentum that took his arm over the shoulder to the neck area. If he had initially hit the neck I would have said penalty.

From a neutral the vid ref got it spot on.

Also, not sure about downward pressure on one of the saints tries.

Fact is 80 minute game, Salford played for 50-60 minutes. Saints were alot better than Salford in the second half and deserved the points. Positive first half for the reds and something to build on.

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Saints fullback couldn't have caught him any sweeter around the head or did you not see him come in as second man? The first defender gave a fair tackle but Lance Hohaia clearly made contact with the head making it a high tackle, I'll link you to the rules if it helps your understanding of them? icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: pokerface "Saints fullback couldn't have caught him any sweeter around the head or did you not see him come in as second man? The first defender gave a fair tackle but Lance Hohaia clearly made contact with the head making it a high tackle, I'll link you to the rules if it helps your understanding of them?
I saw it yes hohaia (who I thought was terrified of running it back in at times btw) came round the back of gibson who was heading for a try.

He first off put his arm round the shoulder and hohaia's hand grabbed gibsons shirt on chest area then his arm started riding up to the neck/head area as Gibson fell closer to the floor.

Gibson was in a falling/diving motion. Hohaia did well to prevent the try.
What difference does it make if he came in second man?? Gibson was in a falling motion straight to 4 points so hohaia scrambled back and tried his best to change gibsons momentum which he did.

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Quote: Dantes Inferno "I totally agree with you. I think blaming refs and officials is totally unfair and pure blinkeredness, the decisions were correct on the night, no doubt. Salford second half display was shocking. no leader when backs are against the wall, and poor discipline giving too many penalties away and also poor ball retension with many errors.'"



Well, well, well, if it isn't Dantes Incapable. It amazes me how you throw the bait so easily and stupidly, hoping for someone to latch on and oppose your pointless, errr..... point!

The decisions were not all correct on the night, for sure. Mr Silverwood called a ball steal. The ball wasn't stolen neither did the opposing Salford player come away with the ball.

That (as pointed out by the entire commentary team at Sky) was the wrong decision. You may wonder why I mention Sky's incompetent, unskilled, inexpert, amateurish, clumsy, awkward, maladroit commentary team. Well had you even bothered to watch it on TV, you would be fully aware that there was at least 1 stone cold mistake by Mr Silverwood. You didn't, because you're an impostor who continues to plague this forum with foul opinions of yet more things you didn't witness. As has been pointed out by more than I care to mention, there were error's made by Mr Silverwood on the night.

As has also been mentioned, This is our club, our board, and our team.

Either fit in...or fook off.

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The ball steal was a ball steal, it was not the two players hold Wilkin it was the salford player hitting the deck with ball firmly in hand. We can all moan about decision how about the knock on in the 1st second. The knock on that took the ball away from meli. etc etc.

The roby try you clearly see ball touch grass, the salford no try you clearly see dixons hand under the ball, thats the difference.

The positive for salford is that the coach was not harping on about it afterwards, if he was then as a fan I would be worried. Fans always call it their own way, but if a coach is harping on about a ref, it means they have given up and are saying they are as good as they can get. Vivers obviously see room for improvements and so can see where he can rectify things.

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Some crucial decisions in Saints' favour at crucial times cost Salford the match last night, the scoreline in no way represents the how the game went. Poor decisions, I'd be pretty annoyed if it was my club that got beat in that fashion.

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Quote: Lyrad Red "Well, well, well, if it isn't Dantes Incapable. It amazes me how you throw the bait so easily and stupidly, hoping for someone to latch on and oppose your pointless, errr..... point!

The decisions were not all correct on the night, for sure. Mr Silverwood called a ball steal. The ball wasn't stolen neither did the opposing Salford player come away with the ball.

That (as pointed out by the entire commentary team at Sky) was the wrong decision. You may wonder why I mention Sky's incompetent, unskilled, inexpert, amateurish, clumsy, awkward, maladroit commentary team. Well had you even bothered to watch it on TV, you would be fully aware that there was at least 1 stone cold mistake by Mr Silverwood. You didn't, because you're an impostor who continues to plague this forum with foul opinions of yet more things you didn't witness. As has been pointed out by more than I care to mention, there were error's made by Mr Silverwood on the night.

As has also been mentioned, This is our club, our board, and our team.

Either fit in...or fook off.'"


Ah Mr obnoxious is back. This is MY club too i'm afraid, i just see it in a totally different shade than you. Have you tucked up your relative in bed early tonight.? Or is he out on the plss? Ha Ha He plays like he's been on the plss......

Talking of imposter's. i see you watched the game on sky, Well you would of seen the massive impact adamson had on the game last night and the castleford game. Ha Ha Ha keep spreading your drivel on this forum he can't walk the walk........

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Quote: Ave It! "Been on it all day, went today and was so proud of the lads. Roby got about as much down as Gibson did, yet saints get awarded the try????? Whats all that about??????????? '"

Was the Gibson effort the one when Andy Dixon got his hand under the ball? If it was then no he didn't, as Andy Dixon quite clearly had his hand under the ball. James Roby touched the ball down at the tip, and it's as clear as day on the Sky recording.

We were disallowed Makinson's attempt. On another day that might have been given and but for one angle which showed daylight between his hand and the ball at the wrong time it might have been this time too. Likewise, you had the decision about the first knock on of the match but I say that didn't go backwards.

No good blaming the ref. Silverdud is useless for anyone and everyone. The only mistake I can definitely say he made in our favour is the one where he totally missed Wilkin's knock on at the PTB.

At the end of the day, although you played very well in the first half and showed glimpses again in the second, our forwards stepped up in the second, we stopped playing laterally and we took our chances (bar three occasions when a player made a wrong choice for a pass). We deserved our win.

Salford need to get their defence and match fitness/attitude sorted (ie it's an 80 minute game) but based on their showing at our place they look a much better side than the one which turned out last season.

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Did`nt want to get involved,but Lyrad red,you are full of it.You seem to feel everybody agrees with you,sorry but they don`t.D.I,RIPS YOUR OPINIONS to shreds everytime.

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Quote: SaintsFan "Was the Gibson effort the one when Andy Dixon got his hand under the ball? If it was then no he didn't, as Andy Dixon quite clearly had his hand under the ball. James Roby touched the ball down at the tip, and it's as clear as day on the Sky recording.

We were disallowed Makinson's attempt. On another day that might have been given and but for one angle which showed daylight between his hand and the ball at the wrong time it might have been this time too. Likewise, you had the decision about the first knock on of the match but I say that didn't go backwards.

No good blaming the ref. Silverdud is useless for anyone and everyone. The only mistake I can definitely say he made in our favour is the one where he totally missed Wilkin's knock on at the PTB.

At the end of the day, although you played very well in the first half and showed glimpses again in the second, our forwards stepped up in the second, we stopped playing laterally and we took our chances (bar three occasions when a player made a wrong choice for a pass). We deserved our win.

Salford need to get their defence and match fitness/attitude sorted (ie it's an 80 minute game) but based on their showing at our place they look a much better side than the one which turned out last season.'"


at the end of the day your 15,000 fans got dealt with of 200 Salford fans.

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What I saw on Friday night reinforced my resolution not to travel away to watch Salford. This is partly because of the regularly hammerings we have had over the past 20 years but mostly because time and again we get hammered too by the match officials.

You can call it a seige mentaility if you like but the bottom line is far too often we end up on the fag end of the penalty count. I would not mind if we were dirty but we're not, it's the never ending last tackle offsides and holding down calls by incompetent and unfit officials which get to me when we are no more the offender than the opposition. Another all too frequent aspect often overlooked by supporters is where the penalties take place, the majority of those we get occur deep in our own half on the first or second tackle, invariably the opposition are awarded their's on half way on the last tackle.

Friday Saints deserved to win and of course as a Salford fan I am bound to be biaised but the ball steal. offside and knock on calls, not to mention a forward pass from dummy half that we were punished for whilst Roby managed to get away with for 80 minutes all leave a nasty taste in the mouth, not to mention the near decapitation of Gibson in the act of scoring a try that even the one eyed commentators were astonished went unpunished.

For the record in 27 matches last season we had the worst of the penalty count in 22 matches and the unedifying sight of the officials awarding us 4 penalties in the last 2 minutes to try to make the count look more even when the damage has been done fools no-one.

Expect nothing but the same on Sunday where I expect Widnes to be given every chance to win the match - but then maybe I am just cynical, or maybe I am a Realist.

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Quote: The Realist "What I saw on Friday night reinforced my resolution not to travel away to watch Salford. This is partly because of the regularly hammerings we have had over the past 20 years but mostly because time and again we get hammered too by the match officials.

You can call it a seige mentaility if you like but the bottom line is far too often we end up on the fag end of the penalty count. I would not mind if we were dirty but we're not, it's the never ending last tackle offsides and holding down calls by incompetent and unfit officials which get to me when we are no more the offender than the opposition. Another all too frequent aspect often overlooked by supporters is where the penalties take place, the majority of those we get occur deep in our own half on the first or second tackle, invariably the opposition are awarded their's on half way on the last tackle.

Friday Saints deserved to win and of course as a Salford fan I am bound to be biaised but the ball steal. offside and knock on calls, not to mention a forward pass from dummy half that we were punished for whilst Roby managed to get away with for 80 minutes all leave a nasty taste in the mouth, not to mention the near decapitation of Gibson in the act of scoring a try that even the one eyed commentators were astonished went unpunished.

For the record in 27 matches last season we had the worst of the penalty count in 22 matches and the unedifying sight of the officials awarding us 4 penalties in the last 2 minutes to try to make the count look more even when the damage has been done fools no-one.

Expect nothing but the same on Sunday where I expect Widnes to be given every chance to win the match - but then maybe I am just cynical, or maybe I am a Realist.'"


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Quote: The Realist "What I saw on Friday night reinforced my resolution not to travel away to watch Salford. This is partly because of the regularly hammerings we have had over the past 20 years but mostly because time and again we get hammered too by the match officials.

You can call it a seige mentaility if you like but the bottom line is far too often we end up on the fag end of the penalty count. I would not mind if we were dirty but we're not, it's the never ending last tackle offsides and holding down calls by incompetent and unfit officials which get to me when we are no more the offender than the opposition. Another all too frequent aspect often overlooked by supporters is where the penalties take place, the majority of those we get occur deep in our own half on the first or second tackle, invariably the opposition are awarded their's on half way on the last tackle.

Friday Saints deserved to win and of course as a Salford fan I am bound to be biaised but the ball steal. offside and knock on calls, not to mention a forward pass from dummy half that we were punished for whilst Roby managed to get away with for 80 minutes all leave a nasty taste in the mouth, not to mention the near decapitation of Gibson in the act of scoring a try that even the one eyed commentators were astonished went unpunished.

For the record in 27 matches last season we had the worst of the penalty count in 22 matches and the unedifying sight of the officials awarding us 4 penalties in the last 2 minutes to try to make the count look more even when the damage has been done fools no-one.

Expect nothing but the same on Sunday where I expect Widnes to be given every chance to win the match - but then maybe I am just cynical, or maybe I am a Realist.'"



You named yourself a realist with these scrutinies. Your world's seemingly rosy. So every referee must have a prejudiced agenda against us. So why atttend games whatsoever

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Quote: Dantes Inferno "This is MY club too i'm afraid, i just see it in a totally different shade than you. Have you tucked up your relative in bed early tonight.? Or is he out on the plss? Ha Ha He plays like he's been on the plss......

Talking of imposter's. i see you watched the game on sky, Well you would of seen the massive impact adamson had on the game last night and the castleford game. Ha Ha Ha keep spreading your drivel on this forum he can't walk the walk........'"


Your efforts at demotivation appear to be working.
The massive impact by Luke Adamson was reported by this weeks Rugby League Express as the highest tackle count of any player on the field at 47.

Excellent post,The Realist,
A thread on the VT is also alluding to the PTB's not being from the mark where Salford are concerned etc.

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