He deserves punishment, you can't miss a training session whether it's for 10 minutes or an hour. He is a professional sportsman days away from taking part in a World Cup. This is obviously the reason he has been kicked out, not for the drinking (as others were obviously involved too) and in all honesty it seems harsh. I would have thought exclusion from the first couple of games and maybe a small fine would have been enough. Instead mass hysteria is created in the press after England release a p*ss poor press release citing no other reasons other than "serious breaches of discipline" leading to constant speculation and assumptions.

OT I know but I'm wondering if the self righteous on here will be as quick to condemn those six clubs that today walked out of the meeting to sort out the future of our sport.
Maybe those clubs that disrupted the meeting should have sanctions taken against them.!

no they showed up to it.

They turned up yes but with a pre arranged agenda.

Guess it comes down to blind faith in what my club says is right but everyone else is wrong.

Bit like players posting on Twitter if they post somthing objectionable and they play at my club it's a bit of fun but do it at another club and they should be banned

Hock should grow up and accept responsibility for his own actions.

He should apologise to the management and his team mates, he has disregarded the instructions.

We have 3 breaches here,

He defied a drinking ban

He failed to attend a medical

He failed to attend training.

I hope Salford have a clause in his contract regarding his behaviour.

I'm fairly certain I heard Gareth Hock,on the BBC,owning up to going out drinking,with others,missing a swim and a medical.
Is there anything else you know about that he should be owning up to ?
It wasn't drip feeding of information it was answering a question when asked;despite it appearing as though he was still in a state of shock.
Could you be so kind as to expand on the statement that Gareth Hock has sold his story ?
Your username seems to be incongruous with your patriotism,for England,which you posted on another thread.

People's response to this situation boils down to this...

1. Those that dislike him. Will always post to the negative.
2. Those that are fair & not prone to frothing at the mouth. Certainly in the minority.
3. Certain types of Wigan fans. Those that feel the need to quantify getting rid of him. Like it's some kind of vindication.
4. Those who dislike the Dr. For obvious reasons.
5. Certain Cas fans. Don't need to say any more on this one.

Hock made a mistake. He says he didn't deliberately miss anything. He admits to having a jar or two with other players. Does it warrant being kicked off the squad? No. Disciplined, yes. Do we need the strongest players in their respective positions to get even close to Aus and NZ? Yes. Is the England management cutting-off its nose to spite its face? Yes. Is Hock a gamble? Yes. Would the gamble be worth it? We'll never know.

The fact that the core of the squad did exactly the same thing as Hock except remember to switch on their alarms shows that all is not rosey in the England camp. I expect this WC will be standard fair for England. Even with Hock. There seems to be too much going on behind the scenes that keep the camp fractured. But that's a different argument.

find it hard to believe he didn't get paid for appearing on an interview. And at first it was a 10 minute swim then it was medical and more importantly it was the first time the team was meeting after a disaster of a game. the guy has history of being victimized or in his eyes anyway and that interview was no different, just shrugging off responsibility as always.

you should read up the population make up of Dubai might find out that one of the major nationalities here are british, or can you not feel patriotic towards you'r home country if your an expat?

1. actually like him/ doesn't change the fact he has been and Idiot.
2. Probably angry at how he has spoiled all the positivity around this world cup as an England fan.
3. spoke for him self didn't like wigan and wanted to leave and Lenegan had enough no need to quantify it.
4. I do think the Dr has a history of shouting with out thinking.
5. Actually not sure what the beef is with cas maybe rangi chase?

Do i think he missed training deliberately no, did he intentionally get drunk? yes. The strongest player in their position is playing sam burgess. England has set the boundaries hock stepped over them no cutting off the nose. hock hasn't really shown any form to warrant the place and i believe he thought the same (thats Mcnamara fault). Are the other players idiots for going out and getting drunk absolutely and its shocking graham was one of them as he senior player. from all the reports and pictures i don't believe the camp is fracture the same crap was being said at Wigan this season apparently it was lies.

Totally correct.
A poor manager will always choose the easiest target to attempt to impose himself.
We know about Hock,this episode tells us far more about McNamara and I fear there's more problems to arise from this quality of management.

I wonder if the manager might not make it through the WC.

Would be about right for RL in this country to get such good publicity in during the build up only for them to attract negative publicity during it.

dubairl posts more on here than half the Turkeygoers...

I understand your viewpoint.

However, I don't agree with most of it.

Shall we leave it there, or your poor fingers will wear out typing on multiple boards about the same subject...

so then why act as if i can't be patriotic towards my country of birth? as you know is already a huge british expat population. but majority of the properties in Dubai are not owned by football players lol more like rich indians, russians and Lebanese.
They didn't mention that they went for a few drinks and a bite to eat it says 6 or 7 players where out drinking and any rugby player or even normal person knows what that means.
I mentioned Graham because he is supposed to be a leader of this England team as Hardaker and McIlorum as still newbies to the set up. There isn't he would still be in Camp if he reported for training and he didn't the others did. so which is it was it a couple of pints or out late on the p#ss so he couldn't go swimming? and i have no idea who said that.

Contradicting you'r self much? so i either post more on here or is it just a browse all the boards? and its not just hock what i have mentioned on he just seems to be the idiot everybody is talking about.