It is easy to see both sides of the argument but I believe the club needs change & I believe those trying to progress the debate are continually blocked with JW is god, the past is the past, we actually owned some assets then, we now own f... a..! Now it will be no good for god & the club if it goes under because we failed to change course when everyone can see we are struggling to get the basics right.
I am not saying JW needs to go but for the sake of giving us hope something needs to change, surely we must all agree with that!

Yes things need to change , you need to somehow get another 5,000 fans through the new turnstiles , easy peasy

4.5 million in debt how can you be with selling the ground and variety centre + mega bucks from Myler and Ratchford.You dont own a ground,you are in the same position now as Leigh and Swinton with only rent to find.Salford will be sharing with Sale who will fill the stadium leaving less rent for Salford to find.

STARBUG: I agree but where we are at present we should be laughing, that what really es me off, I go home & away & have for many years,I took 10 people to the last game of the season, these people had never attended, what an opportunity missed again, Barton bridge, Eccles, Salford, Irlam have you seen one jot promoting the new ground, marketing simple stuff like the club shop, getting it to market, Christmas is the best time to market what we have again missed opportunities! we have had a golden opportunity & missed again!
I like many people have turned a little over the close season when we should really be excited about our new venture. I foolishly have always supported the idea that we spent no money in our first 3 years as we were leading up to the new stadium & an opportunity to get it right for once, how wrong I have been?
Peel holdings, Salford Council, are not going to let this venture fail but it could end up that Sale sharks, take what we have had for a long time dreamed of owning, don't get me wrong I welcome Sale into the stadium to support the venture but as a minor players.
Yes you are right 3000 fans will not support the new stadium, so I ask what are the board proposing as they are the only ones able to change this. At present to me from where I stand they look incapable of reversing a losing trend of support & I for one am frustrated that there appears to have been no REAL positive marketing to promote this FANTASTIC opportunity to promote the club.

Will the club shop be at barton or will you have it in the town centre?.

It is a difficult situation , I can see many similarities with us and the LSV , we just stood and expected people to come , they didn't , And they won't at Barton either

Marketing is an extremely long term plan , it has to be a five , then ten year initiative , but unfortunatly sports clubs rarely look any further than the upcoming season , long term in RL is 4 weeks , not 4 years , quite often things are tried and quickly discarded because the results don't happen overnight

For every 1 new fan the club brings in , the club will see around £ 10,000 in revenue over the life of that fan , that is how it has to be viewed , instead the club expects to get 10,000 all at once

You also have the problem created by the licensing system , one that means your ability to provide a 50 percent win ratio at home is severely damaged , this is why I don't actually want Leigh to get. Franchise , until we can at least attract 4/5,000 attendances in the Championship , it would simply kill us , and it could kill you as well

Perversly , the only way I can see Leigh ever getting into SL would be if you were to fail , the RFL will take into consideration the Lancs/Yorkshire split when selecting or relegating clubs , ie we will only get in at the expense of another Lancs based club , and you are the weakest , if I was desperate to achieve SL status at Leigh I would want you to fail , and some on here probably think that is the case , it isn't , I do hope you can make it work

Starbug: Valid comments well put!

Agree with you about the long term aspect and that is the way all teams should be thinking. The club is right to think short term though to maximise revenue as we don't have the fanbase to support long term plans. I'd suspect our conversion rate of turning short term/occasional fans into long term ones is very low, simply because what is on the pitch isn't worth the effort

As I said earlier , maybe you're overdue a season at a lower level , with an improved winning ratio , licensing doesn't work if you have the same clubs stuck at the bottom year on year , with your season over by a third of the season , the salary cap prevents anybody from doing a ' City ' and buying their way to the top , it also doesn't encourage investement

So the answer is long term marketing , you have to get the kids in , and hope enough will stay with you to build , but as I said , with a home win ratio of less than 50 percent that is very difficult

Does it? there is the salary cap and then there is the salary cap, look at the teams in SL and tell me that they are all "under" the cap, what makes a player play for Warrington rather than Leeds?

You talk to anyone in a position of authority at any SL club and to a man they will all tell you they are waiting for Warrington to become the new Melbourne.

You summise that i have a vendetta against JW. Lets get one thing straight, the programmethrower hit the nail on the head. I have not once been critical of JW as a person, in fact i share the same view as 99.9% of people who come into contact with the chairman. He's a diamond of a bloke.

I am just questioning his proffessionalism, his ambition, his judgement and the reign of his 29 year tenure, and its pretty abismal reading, so tell me why having that view is a crime, i get thrown to the lions and accused of having a vendetta, having no interest in the club, If you read my posts you would realise that i am showing a passion for my club purely by relaying my views which is very hard hearing for the blinkered lot.

Totally agree with you. Huddersfield have sold 7000 season tickets for next season, Well done Mr Davy.

Great news for them as they have been very similar to ourselves for years despite a new ground. It's took a long time to increase their fanbase. I wonder if the board have looked at how long it has taken Hudds to become a consistant performer against the build it and they will come strategy that they seem to uphold?