Total agree with you mate. Don't think any of them are top 8 standard some not even super league standard. We could maybe get away with it if we had 1 or 2 of these type of player but our whole pack is dreadful. And if im honest i don't see them improving. Sidlow and Adamson have gone backwards in recent years.

Adamson - Young, Never going to be good enough. Gone backwards over the years.

Sidlow - No aggression, doesn't look interested and soft as for a man his size.

Spencer - Never going to make it.

Neale - Probably the best prospect but still never going to be great.

Jewitt - Has had about 5 good games in 2 years, isn't good enough if we want to challenge for a top 8.

Boyle - Is a decent player but when he is your best forward (now cashmere gone) things are worrying.

Nero (when he plays back row) - Again a decent player but unfortunately isn't going to make you any yards granted he is solid in defence and will make very little mistakes.

Anderson / Fekka - Make no yards, to many errors and the pair quite frankly have had a dreadful season.

I honestly think our back line is great, we have one of the best wing partnerships in the league, Holdsworth, Patten (in attack) etc. People may have a go at me but our forwards are really dyer, i feel sorry for the back line having to try and create try's behind a beaten pack in most games.

Agree 100% with that analysis of our forwards mate but I don't think that our back line is "great". We don't have good enough centres to call them great IMO. If we could get 2 top drawer centres (much easier said than done as there is a dearth in the modern game) then those 2 on the wings should/would score tries for fun.

I was just trying to be positive so i didn't sound like an old fart and i know id get lambasted of folk on here otherwise

Ok our back line is "good" like you said could do with a couple of additions, but are priority.

I agree with ordsall quays red.Back line definately needs strengthening especially on attack . we only have houldsworth/patten link,which most teams have sussed out now. and smith doesnt offer any clever creative play.Looking forward seeing joel moon though, got to be better than the centres we have got now in henry,gibson and gleeson.

Hopefully MP has got great contacts in aus. in my opinion we need a scrum half to link up better with the forwards and houldsworth another centre.with joel moon and a utility back .

and a message for{ red preacher }if matty neale is that good

tony smith doesnt get rid of great prospects

Have you actually looked at his stats? He doesn't get close to 50+ tackles a game!

rlLuke Adamsonrl

He can go for me. Shown great promise a few years back but has never kicked on since. Offers very little going forward.

Quote: Dantes Inferno "Luke Adamson can go asap for me.Hes got hands like a winger.his ball skills are dreadfull,I think the optimist quoted he makes 50+ tackles a game, more like misses 50+ tackles a game.. Your way out there, and your wild accusations bear the mark of yet another RL fan who has no idea about the game on a playing level. Theres so much more that goes into it than what you see. I think I would semi agree with you if Mr Adamson, say, played for Saints or Wigan, but in a struggling side he's our number 1 work horse (along with M Smith) and the side's most senior player who (as mentioned before) has been stifled by SM. Oh and just to show how "way out" you actually are, here's the teams top 10 tacklers and top 10 missed tacklers. Top 10 tacklers L. Adamson - 811 (32.44 AVG Per Game) 25 appearances (4th top tackler in SL) M.Smith - 728 (26.9) 27 app (11th top tackler is SL) S.Wild - 666 (31.7) -21 app D.Holdsworth - 619 (23.9) 26 app R.Boyle - 606 (25.2) 24 app W.Godwin - 598 (26) 23 app C.Nero - 446 (20.2) 22 app L.Jewit - 446 (20.2) 22 app A.Neal - 427 (18.6) -23 app V.Anderson 403 (23.7) 17 app Which ever way you look at it stats don't lie, and these are the sorta stats the players will be reviewed on at the end of the year (attack/defence Etc) to determine the area's they need to improve. Top 10 missed tacklers S.Wild - 66 ! (90% conversion vate) V.Anderson - 51 ! (88%) M.Smith - 49 (93%) D.Holdsworth - 45 (93%) R.Boyle - 38 (94%) L.Adamson - 35 (96% conversion rate!) C.Nero - 33 (93%) L.Jewitt - 30 (94%) W.Godwin - 30 (95%) A.Neal - 29 (94%) So over the course of the season Adamson has made the most tackles and missed the least amount of tackles. It goes without saying but the more tackles you attempt to make the more your likely to miss, yet still Adamson has the highest conversation rate, says allot "dunnit" Oh an before you come back with "yeh his defence is all right but he doesn't go forward " you might want to know he was 5th in "Meter's Made" in the team also with 1510m, behind our fastest winger, prop, fullback, and now departing centre Henry, in front of the rest our props www.reds.co.uk/league-geek-stats So on that note, neither of the statements you so boldly make are true or accurate. It really gets up my nose when someone like yourself voices such an ill founded, unproven load of tripe, and I have great pleasure (being a fan of Opta Stats) in proving you (so boldly) wrong. It's obvious you see very little of what goes when ball isn't in hand, but unfortunately for us that's most of the time, and time and time again I find myself bringing it to the likes of your attention that (as Warrington have proved) its a game of two sides. Attack/Defence. MP will improve on Adamson's attacking skills above everyone else's, that I am sure of, and when he does i'm sure (if he sticks around long enough) he will build a squad around the likes of Adamson, a true leader and professional in his own right. Anyway, enough of wasting my breath, I'm sure ill come across another "ill founded, unproven load of tripe" before the new season kick's off in which case Copy and Paste may come in handy. Read it and weep...

Quote: Dantes Inferno "Luke Adamson can go asap for me.Hes got hands like a winger.his ball skills are dreadfull,I think the optimist quoted he makes 50+ tackles a game, more like misses 50+ tackles a game.. Your way out there, and your wild accusations bear the mark of yet another RL fan who has no idea about the game on a playing level. Theres so much more that goes into it than what you see. I think I would semi agree with you if Mr Adamson, say, played for Saints or Wigan, but in a struggling side he's our number 1 work horse (along with M Smith) and the side's most senior player who (as mentioned before) has been stifled by SM. Oh and just to show how "way out" you actually are, here's the teams top 10 tacklers and top 10 missed tacklers. Top 10 tacklers L. Adamson - 811 (32.44 AVG Per Game) 25 appearances (4th top tackler in SL) M.Smith - 728 (26.9) 27 app (11th top tackler is SL) S.Wild - 666 (31.7) -21 app D.Holdsworth - 619 (23.9) 26 app R.Boyle - 606 (25.2) 24 app W.Godwin - 598 (26) 23 app C.Nero - 446 (20.2) 22 app L.Jewit - 446 (20.2) 22 app A.Neal - 427 (18.6) -23 app V.Anderson 403 (23.7) 17 app Which ever way you look at it stats don't lie, and these are the sorta stats the players will be reviewed on at the end of the year (attack/defence Etc) to determine the area's they need to improve. Top 10 missed tacklers S.Wild - 66 ! (90% conversion vate) V.Anderson - 51 ! (88%) M.Smith - 49 (93%) D.Holdsworth - 45 (93%) R.Boyle - 38 (94%) L.Adamson - 35 (96% conversion rate!) C.Nero - 33 (93%) L.Jewitt - 30 (94%) W.Godwin - 30 (95%) A.Neal - 29 (94%) So over the course of the season Adamson has made the most tackles and missed the least amount of tackles. It goes without saying but the more tackles you attempt to make the more your likely to miss, yet still Adamson has the highest conversation rate, says allot "dunnit" Oh an before you come back with "yeh his defence is all right but he doesn't go forward " you might want to know he was 5th in "Meter's Made" in the team also with 1510m, behind our fastest winger, prop, fullback, and now departing centre Henry, in front of the rest our props www.reds.co.uk/league-geek-stats So on that note, neither of the statements you so boldly make are true or accurate. It really gets up my nose when someone like yourself voices such an ill founded, unproven load of tripe, and I have great pleasure (being a fan of Opta Stats) in proving you (so boldly) wrong. It's obvious you see very little of what goes when ball isn't in hand, but unfortunately for us that's most of the time, and time and time again I find myself bringing it to the likes of your attention that (as Warrington have proved) its a game of two sides. Attack/Defence. MP will improve on Adamson's attacking skills above everyone else's, that I am sure of, and when he does i'm sure (if he sticks around long enough) he will build a squad around the likes of Adamson, a true leader and professional in his own right. Anyway, enough of wasting my breath, I'm sure ill come across another "ill founded, unproven load of tripe" before the new season kick's off in which case Copy and Paste may come in handy. Read it and weep...

Again - please read above

Thanking you.

if we are going to slag him off at least have the decency to get his name right .
Adam is a local lad and wanted to play for his home town team , FGS cut him some slack !
just won young player two seasons running. remember warrington have a surplus of talent and ( contrary to popular opinion ) have to comply with squad numbers & salary cap .
players peak at different times , especially forwards , players like Graham , Burgess bros' are freaks , being effective at a younger age . and are such a rarity that the NRL are stealing ours. meanwhile Catalan sign Steve Menzies ( 38 ), and he plays a blinder... it's a conspiracy I tell yer

Ha Ha Ha Lyrad red you make me wee.Adamson wouldnt get in another superleague top 8 side you muppet. and for the record i bet ive played a higher grade of rugby league than you.and i do watch the game in a tactical mannar, i BET YOUR ONE OF THOSE WHOM RATE STUART LITTLER IN YOUR BEST EVER SALFORD SIDE.ha ha

so your a stat man are you ,so how many tries/offloads/Busts/assists has adamson given.Hardly anything i bet.Yet to see him.I dont dislike him i simply feel he just isnt good enough for our aims of top 8.

I cant ever remember leaving a rugby league ground thinking wow what a top game adamson played there.In my opinion he aint good enough. Ive seen plenty of players in the past 30 years watching salford whom are a mile better than adamson.

Wow So what he tops the tackle count sometimes.Salford always wins the top tackle count due to us losing so much possession and giving so many penalties away.Hence Alker winning it year after year.

So wake up and smell the coffee.and stop talking utter drivel

Well somebody is tackles made.

The official Salford website has him down for rl604rl tackles made.

I make you wee, proving you badly wrong ? i'd seek medical attention if your that nervous.

And hang on a minute. My post was in response to ill founded, unproven tripe you were dribbling. You said [

Thats incorrect. Alls I did was provide you with facts that prove you are wrong, and I am right. So how is that "utter drivel".

Wow so what he tops the tackle count sometimes, I here you say.

Errr McFly...Hello. That was your original post. Saying he doesn't.

Jesus, please for all our sakes, climb back under the rock you crawled out of.

You comment Adamson misses 50 tackles and doesn't make anywhere near 50 tackles, insinuating ( in-sin-u-ating) he's basically not putting anywhere near the tackles in or ratio of tackle misses in that some optimist's are claiming on here, and in a good old fact over fiction style right doing I shoot you out of the sky in a great ball of flames with FACT'S. Not accusations, or unproven dribble. FACT'S

So a) review your point, b) make a proper argument, c) back it up with FACT'S and then get back to me.

Dont, (a) make a point (b) fail to substantiate it with proof (c) when proved wrong, make up another point and argue about that referring that the original argument is correct with claims of something completely different.

The whole point of my response to your post (to clarify for all) was (a) to prove you wrong (b) to point out he's one of the better players in a failing team.

You even go as far as to say the same thing I do at the end which is Salford have the ball very little therefore are defending more = Adamson doing the most of that.

I think the majority of us would agree with the offical Opta Stat's than Salfords rarely updated website. Infact they just show Adamson finished 4th in meters made with 1849.

Im weeing with laughter at your comments lyrad red.[YOU SOUND LIKE RAFA BENITEZ}i only deal in facts .Well heres my fact, If were relying on the likes of adamson,sidlow,jewitt,boyle for next year .bye bye top 8.