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Quote: mitie mouse "I presume your club as done this,was it a success?'"


No we didn't , that's why our attendances didn't rise when we moved , hopefully things will change

I'll ignore the idiot posting previously to this

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Quote: EX.SALF.UNI "Sounds like a fantastic opportunity to spread some new thinking. Asking the perrenial moaning ar$e$ on here for ideas [ishould[/i reap some answers, but I see already your request is being glossed-over in preference of an opportune whinge.'"



No it wasn't, an honest hard fact was given by 1 poster and I replied asking for the ideas salfordlady83 had already spoken to Mr Wilkinson about and the fact we as supporters currently have NO consultation when it come to the stadium.

As has been mentioned I see you bring nothing atall. Do you think that it was a random post off salfordlady83 and she hadn't already read how supporters feel? You really are an idiot!

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When it was 1st announced that we had got the go ahead to build our own iconic stadium i like thousands of us reds were over the moon,now just on verge of moving in i feel like ive been gazzumped,and worse still a gang of squatters have moved in and claimed it from me,nothing,not a chance in hell have i got any rights to fight back,that is whats so galling not being able to put over your point without somebody saying its ok,we will be alright,NO we will not be alright were in deep sh.

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Quote: Diavolo Rosso "I find it frightening how alienated so much of our hardcore support is right now.'"


Its a bit weird reaily its like so many of us are suffering from a kind of "burnout" regarding the club and the direction it is heading, all this rumours and hearsay doesnt reaily help eather because being a salford fan after being let down time after time you instantly imagine the worst.
Personally ill feel a lot better when i hear matt parishes 1st interview since he has returned we have seen him do a few video interviews with salfords media man at his short time at the willows so i think we will gage what is going on by the way he is.

I remember in 2008 in the 2nd divison i could (and probably would) have given up the ghost if we hadnt got our superleague franchise im not ashamed to admit that i felt like i was suffering a kind of "burnout", the rugby was rubbish, the atmosphere was rubbish, i didnt particually enjoy going home and away at that point it became a chore, Feverstone away was proabably the worst i felt frustrated with both the playing staff and the way the club was run.
Luckly for me we got our franchise which helped, Wilshire kicking the goal in the final and the 20 minutes of madness that followed, we got permission to build the stadium, i stopped going doing "aways" on a regular basis due to other events in my life, Mcrae left eventually and with Vievers then Parish arrived and slowly i feel the hunger and the fire in the belly has returned.

I dont see Barton as a negative at all, its a new platform for the club to try and perform as a proffessional rugby league club, its easy to hide in the back streets of weaste blaming lack of passing trade, when we move to Barton THERE IS NO HIDING PLACE ANYMORE its do or die for everyone who is lucky enough to work in the club be that the tea boy or the Cheif exec
Sale proabably sharing our space will mean we have to up our game just to stand still which in a way a succesful business is run.

The club in many ways the club have their finger on the pulse of so many good things (twitter, facebook, phone alerts ect) but struggle with touching the comman man (or woman) on the street with general infomation about the club and thats the frustrating thing they just arnt able to connect with the average joe.
They reaily have to look at trying to go to the people in the local community of salford and manchester and say "WE ARE YOUR TEAM"

Money is an issue but its not the be all and end all, the club should be doing some kind of market research with local business in the area to say what would you want from your local rugby team, we help you..you can help us and together we can move forward

I dont believe in free tickets it devalues the product, perhaps discounted tickets for adults who have kids who sign up for rugby classes or fun days is the way to go, instead of treating us fans like mushrooms and not telling us anything the club reaily need to reach out to the community and try and make this a success, without us the existing fans Salford RL dies its as simple as that.

I just hope that JW listens to Salford Ladys ideas and puts them into place, he is the man who can make it happen, leading from the front, id rather us go out of business trying to make this a success than standing still and slipping of the radar never to be seen again, least the club can say they tried

A new stadium will mean changes, perhaps not today, not this week, perhaps not this year but soon the club will need to evolve to continue to grow, the people who did a job for us in the back streets of weaste will be replaced if they are unable to go to the next level.

At the moment lost of people can see what is coming like a car crash, our offield departments arnt communicating very well with the outside world (our potential fan bace) sale will march in with their juggernaught marketing and communication skills and steal would could be our new fans thats the concern i feel deep down for a lot of our fans.

As for Salford RL i agree with the wigan fan, i didnt fall in love with the willows all them years ago, its the rollercoaster ride of watching a team which sometimes can and sometimes cant achieve did it for me, you just never know with salford what your going to get with salford be that playing or admin,

At the end of the darkest day the light will begin to shine though and tomorrow will be a lot brighter im sure of it, us fans will feel a lot better about the direction of the club is taking and the love will return i can guarantee...if you still want it...

Quote: Diavolo Rosso "Gonna go slightly against the grain here. Even though we all know there is a 95% chance of Salford messing things up as usual, there is the 5% chance that we might actually stumble across some sort of method that ends in us making a success of it. It is still a decent opportunity etc for the club if we can make the most of it. The most annoying thing however, is that it is pretty obvious that the club would at the drop of a hat trade it's current fanbase for a new family orientated happy clappy brigade. The attitude seems to be that we are not too bothered about the current fans as Barton will attract a totally new fanbase. Pretty risky strategy.'"


Thats the kind of crazy bonkers plan id expect from salford eusa_clap.gif

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Quote: salfordlady83 "Right so this is my first ever post on here! I actually am a PR and Marketing professional'"

Just a few things are troubling me about this, doesn't the club already pay someone to do this job? There are two reasons I ask, firstly if I were that person and I read that my boss was speaking to someone on matters of my position I'd be A) inquisitive as to why the Chairman would speak to someone from the "outside" about things that are under my remit, B) Does that mean that the Chairman has no far in me and C) a bit peeved. On the other hand why does the chairman see it fit to speak to someone regarding the failings of one of his own members of staff rather than either speak to that person directly regarding his concerns about the way I operate or to my line manage (i.e. the chief exec) and tell him to make sure I up my game. If the chairman is aware that the person in his employment is doing their job to a sufficient standard then either tell them or fire them. This all appears a little sneaky to me.

This isn't a dig at salfordlady83 and in fact I wish you all the best as the clubs performance on this matter is appalling and action needs to be taken but if someone isn't doing their job then get rid.

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What you tend to get when ' Marketing ' is mentioned at sports clubs , is the reply that " we've sold the sponsorship and the corporate sales are going well "

That's it , very rarely does the conversation come round to getting the paying spectator through the turnstiles , it just doesn't enter their mindset

John Wilkinson is a fantastic bloke , one of the nicest you could ever meet , but I doubt that John has ever in his businesses had to market his products to the general public , and I'd suggest that he would be of the opinion like many on here , that the only way of building a bigger fan base would be a ' winning team '

Well unfortunatly those ideas are 20/30 years out of date , and nobody can provide a winning team consistently enough to work that way

Salford HAVE to build a fan base with a mediocre team on the pitch , if the team plays well and wins , that is a bonus , but the assumption has to be that it has to be done without help from the team

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Why do i get the feeling that we are clutching at every straw,ive wrote to wilky and i`m there thursday about player recruitment.

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Quote: king of the shed "Just a few things are troubling me about this, doesn't the club already pay someone to do this job? There are two reasons I ask, firstly if I were that person and I read that my boss was speaking to someone on matters of my position I'd be A) inquisitive as to why the Chairman would speak to someone from the "outside" about things that are under my remit, B) Does that mean that the Chairman has no far in me and C) a bit peeved. On the other hand why does the chairman see it fit to speak to someone regarding the failings of one of his own members of staff rather than either speak to that person directly regarding his concerns about the way I operate or to my line manage (i.e. the chief exec) and tell him to make sure I up my game. If the chairman is aware that the person in his employment is doing their job to a sufficient standard then either tell them or fire them. This all appears a little sneaky to me.

This isn't a dig at salfordlady83 and in fact I wish you all the best as the clubs performance on this matter is appalling and action needs to be taken but if someone isn't doing their job then get rid.'"


Perhaps he want to see how salfordlady83 runs a successful ship and what we as a club can do differently, presumably the budgets are poles apart so its what we can do on a budget

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Or just make it an interview for the role! icon_wink.gif

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I've not posted on here in years but felt compelled to do so tonight.

As someone who's lived outside the city for many years (but still used to travel home and away for games) I was looking forward to attending matches on a regular basis again at the new stadium.

However, after attending the final game at the willows doubt began to set in again. As someone who also has a background in media, marketing and PR, I couldn't get my head round quite how badly the whole event was botched or how so-called professionals could fail to implement even the most rudimentary measures such as data capture when faced with 8-9000 potential new customers.

Today's news is the final nail in the coffin for me. Nothing more than the proverbial (scarlet) turkeys voting for Xmas.

Next year was to be my little lad's first year of regularly going to games; we were all set to purchase season tickets for Barton. However, at the risk of sounding melodramatic, I don't think I can face inflicting such a poorly run club on him. Unlike his dad, I want him to enjoy his rugby, not see it as an obligation. There's a successful, well run club on our doorstep who all his school pals support anyway and, much as it'll pain me, I'd sooner take him there.

As for the infield stuff, I think some on here are being duped in the same way as several super league chairman have been. The fad for employing unheard of NRL assistants will be short-lived. Wigan were fortuitous to unearth Michael Maguire, I honestly think the likes of ourselves and Hull KR will end up with egg on our faces really quickly (particularly given some of the things I've been told by people Very close to the pro game).

Apologies if this post doesn't fit the agenda that some on here wish to propagate but that's how I see it. I'd love to be proven wrong though.

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Quote: king of the shed "Or just make it an interview for the role!
Salfordlady83 not bad going 1 post and next thing you know your being installed as the clubs marketing and media guru / saviour icon_wink.gif

Welcome Wayward fan your going to have to wait your turn to pitch your ideas to wilky icon_wink.gif

As for deciding which team to follow, marketing departments and management teams come and go but the rollercoaster ride of following salford rugby rolls on and on from one generation to another from father to son from mother to daughter .

You never know in 5 years we could be playing infront of 20,000 everyweek and not be able to move for salford rugby marketing bumf

Or

We could be playing in swintons new ground in agecroft infront of 1000 with no posters in sight

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Quote: Wayward Fan "I've not posted on here in years but felt compelled to do so tonight.

As someone who's lived outside the city for many years (but still used to travel home and away for games) I was looking forward to attending matches on a regular basis again at the new stadium.

However, after attending the final game at the willows doubt began to set in again. As someone who also has a background in media, marketing and PR, I couldn't get my head round quite how badly the whole event was botched or how so-called professionals could fail to implement even the most rudimentary measures such as data capture when faced with 8-9000 potential new customers.

Today's news is the final nail in the coffin for me. Nothing more than the proverbial (scarlet) turkeys voting for Xmas.

Next year was to be my little lad's first year of regularly going to games; we were all set to purchase season tickets for Barton. However, at the risk of sounding melodramatic, I don't think I can face inflicting such a poorly run club on him. Unlike his dad, I want him to enjoy his rugby, not see it as an obligation. There's a successful, well run club on our doorstep who all his school pals support anyway and, much as it'll pain me, I'd sooner take him there.

As for the infield stuff, I think some on here are being duped in the same way as several super league chairman have been. The fad for employing unheard of NRL assistants will be short-lived. Wigan were fortuitous to unearth Michael Maguire, I honestly think the likes of ourselves and Hull KR will end up with egg on our faces really quickly (particularly given some of the things I've been told by people Very close to the pro game).

Apologies if this post doesn't fit the agenda that some on here wish to propagate but that's how I see it. I'd love to be proven wrong though.'"


Fantastic post!

Bobby (The optimist) please, please STOP.

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I'll tell you somthing this off-season has produced some fantastic topics on here so far much better than the usual off season jibber jabber

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Quote: The optimist "
Or

We could be playing in swintons new ground in agecroft infront of 1000 with no posters in sight'"



I always like it when posters are true to their ' user name ' icon_lol.gif icon_wink.gif

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Quote: salfordlady83 "Right so this is my first ever post on here! I actually am a PR and Marketing professional and in the past have done quite a few bits and bobs in sports including some work with Hull FC. After the debacle that was the last game at The Willows I wrote a letter to John Wilkinson to tell him how mortified I was with the entire event - saying if I had put that on for a client I would have been fired. I supplemented this with some top line ideas to what I would have done - and that a major opp had been missed to leave 10,000 people excited about next season and the new Stadium!!

To cut a long story (or letter) short - Mr Wilkinson actually responded to me saying that he was intrigued by what I had to say and by some of my ideas and that he would like to meet with me to discuss. I am due to go and meet him next week and have pulled together some ideas and areas I think we need to be doing in the build up to the new season and the launch of the new Stadium.

Having seen how disillusioned everybody is on here though and the total lack of excitment for the new season to come I wanted to post ahead of that meeting to ask you guys for ideas that you would like me to present to JW. So anybody with any sensible ideas and solutions (sacking the board will not be something I plan on bringing up) then please do let me know!!

I think we should all be enthused though about the fact that JW has asked to see me - hopefully he is ready for some fresh input and ideas - so let's all get together and try and get something positive out of all this!'"



Let's hope that your meeting goes well. You might though have a hard task on your hands not from as some would suggest from JW but from the people who are actually employed to promote the club but some planely don't.
A few of us last year met people from the club to discuss the move to the new stadium and the grand plans that were to be set in place to see off the Willows of which none to my recollection where implimented (despite offers of help from all present to assist in any way possible) instead it looked to all and sundry that there was was general concensus that they will turn up anyway rather than targetting the returning people with offers for the coming season at the new ground.
I would if I were you try my best to ensure that you speak to JW on his own as the people who will resist this most will obviously do thier best to destabilise everything you suggest. What you'll find is that if you come up with decent ideas that you'll get people who will help impliment them as though we may bicker on here we all have the same common goal of a thriving Salford City Reds.

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