The 5 youngsters being promoted impacts less on recruitment, bringing in such high numbers each season so far means that we are starting from scratch, the best teams tinker rather than make whole sale changes.

The best teams only need to tinker.

I'm not saying making wholesale changes will work, it's obviously failed us twice in the past 2 years. We're not in a position where changing just a couple of players around is going to get us anywhere near where we want to be though.

That and the fact that almost all of the players that are gone/going have been pretty much forced anyway.

We have to trust Tim Sheens on this. He may not get it right in 100% of the cases, but he is the most knowledgeable, well respected, experienced coach in the game today. The last time we had a marked improvement in playing performances was when Harrison led us to the playoffs - I don't remember there being too many big time Charlies in that team. Every other attempt to improve the club since has failed. If Sheens says get rid, we get rid. He is exactly the no-nonsense, disciplined, professional we have been crying out for.

Just read that Monaghan is undecided which Super League team he will join, if we are one and he is undecided I'd suggest that means his heart won't be in it, hope to God Salford say no.

Much rather Carney comes in and we have BJB, Johnson, MCB and him as the wing options.

I'd hope we're not looking at Monaghan anyway, despite rumours that he may be coming here. He's been a brilliant player but looks like far past his best now.

Totally agree. He would of been a very decent signing about 4-5 years ago. Let's hope the days of signing other clubs aged cast-offs are a thing of the past.

To my reckoning we have a squad of 21 currently at the moment that being;

Evalds
BJB
Josh Griffin
Sau
Johnson
Dobson
Lee
Hauraki
Forster
J Walne
A Walne
Hood
Lannon
Wilkinson
Bibby
Bent
Wood
G.Griffin
D.Griffin
Menzies
MCB

So bring in another 8/9 we have a sizeable squad!

I agree to an extent.

But any Club signing anyone is signing that Clubs cast-offs, surely?

You bring a negative conatation to the term, after all, Scott Taylor was a Wigan cast-off.

Did you miss the aged bit?

(I'm not being sarcastic).

Sa'u, Griffin and Carney is like having 3 extra forwards in the pitch, God for a Gleeson of 10 years type centre outside Carney.

I seriously doubt Warrington are letting Monaghan go without knowing his best days are behind him.

I'd much rather find a younger winger we can help develop rather than one who's going to throw less and less good games from now on.

Do we even need wingers?

Yes I did.

Fingers got in before brain.

He made the wrong call,with a few others.

Joel Monaghan is not to be sniffed at, his try scoring rate is pretty much 1 in 1. We're also losing a fair chunk of experience in Hansen, Chase, Paterson, Maitua, Morley etc and therefore a character like Joel could be invaluable.