Yeah, singing dirty old town and if that does`nt work matchstalk men and matchstalk cats and dogs,and if that does`nt work i read your posts,that always does the trick.

Prestwich

Just why is liking theatre reinforcing stereotypes? I work in one.

Are you suggesting the league supporters are incapable of liking theatre?

And I'm not really sure why it's an offence in not knowing that salford has a football club. I'm sure that there are a large number of things which i don't know about Salford - and everywhere else for that matter, whether I live there or not.

You suggest that I should have found out whether Salford has a football team? Why?

Should I also find out if they have a pool club, a synchronised swimming club, a bar billiards club, a hockey club, a crown green bowls club - none of which I am ever likely to use?

And where have I ever said or implied that I dislike what I see in Salford? I've worked there, and I go there a fair bit even though now retired. I don't dislike any of it.

Hang about wasn't it only in the 1980's when Rugby Union were still banning players from their sport for life if they had played rugby league?

Taken from the Official Twickers site

Amateurism in rugby football (after the great split of 1895)
Rugby union would officially remain an amateur sport for the next 100 years.

The union authorities placed severe sanctions on associations with rugby league. Even playing an amateur rugby league game was sufficient to receive a ban from rugby union.

Union players who went to play professional league were banned for life, even from attending rugby union matches as supporters.

Payment for expenses was often permitted, however. The ‘amateur’ 1908 Australian rugby union tourists to the British Isles received payment of 21 shillings a week.

This was more than twice the amount that players on the following season's ‘professional’ Great Britain rugby league tour of Australia received as weekly wages!

Ave It,i had a young lad playing for me when i was coaching a local amateur league team who was threatened by his headmaster that if he carried on playing league in his free time,he would be banned from taking part in any sport at his school,footbball? ok,basketball? ok just not Rugby league as they played union at their school.That was in the late 90s.The stories go on and on about their goings on,but now its all forgotten,well it ai`nt in my eyes.

To you Sale guys..............I'll tell you why I'm a 'dinosaur', and why I still care about what happened in my Great Grandfather's time.

Because Rugby Union and the Establishment in general shafted 'working class' people then and continue to shaft them to this day.
That is, if there were enough jobs to constitute a working class! A government run by fooking Old Etonians and Oxbridge Graduates.

We're all in it together? Fookin' Bollox, neither in government or rugby.

Rugby Union in the north of england has, and always will represent 'the establishment'. It runs far deeper than mere sport. Anyone who is aware of cultural history will be aware of it.

Hence the examples on this board about the BBC and Univerisities' attitude towards our sport and our demography. One of superiority and condesention.

...............and when, if ever, did a smokey wind blow through the leafy suburbs of Cheshire?

Have you ever wondered why the Catalan Dragons are so welcome in our League?.....................During the war the game of Rugby League was banned by the Vichy government as being representative of subversives. After the war, 'Our' game was not allowed to use the word 'Rugby', hence RL was known as Jeux a treize (Game for thirteen).

History runs deep and for good reason. We would be fools to forget it. Unfortunately, Salford RL is run by fools and the major reason we find ourselves in the current unenviable position.

I too would want us to own & be the sole tenant of the Salford City red stadium. Our club has been dying a slow death, we needed a partner not the perfect partner but one that watches & understands the type of game we play.
I am a Salford fan of 30 odd years but welcome Sale & hope we can attract new supporters for our club, if we don't it is because people don't think our game is good enough.
Too many go on about how good our game is, well if it that good we have nothing to worry about.

I know the history of Salford, likewise Swinton, Oldham Rochdale to name a few, all have proud histories but were unable to achieve, just take a look at the clubs now. Some on the forum criticizing every word spoken when discussing or debating with Sale, tell me the alternative master plan? How the working man stereotypes himself, no wonder down south they think we all have flat caps & clogs. If any of our fans watch football you just might be stood next a person from Sale, you know the one with two heads & he says tally ho. The same people criticizing the club for moving please tell me how you would have kept the club at the top playing from the willows & where you think we would have been in 5 years even less?

No I am not happy with what as happened to our great club, but I am prepared not to live in the past & move forward in a difficult times, where companies sports clubs bigger than the mighty Salford, are going under at the rate of knots. We have a chance to embrace the opportunity, Maybe we will attract Sale fans to watch our great game, after all we believe Rugby league to be a far superior game than union.
Standby for trying to remain positive!!

Quality,

That story I recalled took place nearly 20 years ago - some of our players were barely out of pampers back then! I only mentioned it to show that I am aware that historically the two games have been at loggerheads and have first hand experience of bigoted behaviour by [isome[/i union people. However, this was nearly 20 years ago (1994 to be precise) before the abolition of 'shamateurism' and, in my opinion at least, the world has moved on.

Dozens of rugby clubs across the country (including my own) co-habit successfully without conflict; hundreds if not thousands of players freely enjoy playing and watching both codes (as I do!).

The bigotry and insularity that you continue to allude to are largely consigned to the past. Ironically though, in seeking to rake up old arguments you are actually coming across as being quite bigoted and insular.

Sale will be sharing the fantastic stadium with us. We can either accept this, be open minded and welcome the Sharks fans into the fold (some may even choose to support our team too). Or we can put up the metaphorical shutters, portray ourselves (inaccurately IMO) as being insular and bigoted and enter a conflict situation (and given your opinion of our club's management, you may wish to question whether this is a particularly sensible idea).

Well said that man. Although as Dirty old Town was written in Salford about Salford I'll take objection to that point but will excuse your 'indelicate' behaviour on this occasion.

Most Salford people are welcoming and open minded, so I hope you aren't put off coming to a few of our games.

With regards to union and this move then yes I guess I am bigoted. I think the fact that you like both codes and will have chance to watch all year rugby at our new stadium is also altering your view about the move.

The fact some Salford fans are happy about the move beggers belief, Rooted red has hit the nail on the head. Not got a problem with Sale fans as such, they choose to watch what they want, but the sport of Rugby Union as a whole is what I have the problem with. We'll have to agree to disagree on this as we're just going around in circles.



No one I know is. I'm more than happy for Sale fans to come to our games as fans of Salford or rugby league, I'll welcome that. As for the move

At the moment it seems the only postings offering the hand of friendship are coming from the supporters of Sale.They are not responsible for attempting to stop any young player from playing rugby league - neither is Brian Kennedy.They are/were not responsible for paying Gavin Hastings,the Scottish player,far more remuneration for a couple of internationals a year than he was paid for his work,in London,as a chartered accountant.Nor any others who were allegedly 'amateur'.
Without going back through history,the latest people attempting to destroy rugby league seem to be those people who own and 'run' rugby league clubs,who have no outward appearance of any union connection - I point you in the direction of Wakefield,Bradford and Wrexham,not forgetting Bridgend,South Wales where Leighton Samuels allegedly destroyed a union club prior to starting on Crusaders.

Some former politician who often has his quotes used by sports people,and others,for inspiration,once said,
''To jaw-jaw is always better than to war-war.''

People don't change history - They cannot ! What they do is learn from it.

So some people want their children to go back down the mines.........and vote for Labour politicians who want to be more equal than others..........and only Tories from Eton tell lies........and Labour were never in bed with News International...rlwhen can I expect the arrests,the convictions and the media coveragerl

The working class movement - the actions of (rugby) union people - has no connection with the playing of 2 sports by two separate clubs at the SCS in 2012 nor the common interest in sport by different groups.

The Labour Party has overseen the spending of millions on the Olympics.Can I expect the people of Salford to be either a) Protesting and/or b) Going to spectate ? I am too ignorant to work out if the sports involved have a working class or an Eton or Harrow connection.There ain't too many working class people I know who can afford to attend;nor did they attend schools,or have the wherewithal,to practice many of the sports.

I am surprised at the apparent inferiority and persecution complexes demonstrated by rugby league followers.
The sport has survived this far with a far greater effort to suppress it in the past.Perhaps we should take as an example,the will to carry on as shown by our forefathers.

Living behind enemy lines I'd go for a pint sometime, provided

1) you don't try and convert me to be a sale fan

2) I won't convert you to be a salford fan

3) you tell me all the good things sale do

4) ill tell u all the bad things salford do

5) you can try and convince me that sale won't try and destroy salford rlfc

6) ill try and convince you that salford are trying to destroy themselves

Perhaps we can go to the little B then Av it can try and burn down heywood rd after a few beers

All seriousness its more than sport its more public relations,it would be good to see how you fans view your club how it functions with the fans and ideas from any supporters clubs you have to raise money and if we can take anything away to promt our club to do it

You turn up looking like a jester or in a tweed jacket and ill walk also