All operating on a full salary cap, I believe?

Can a club be considered well run when:

- Crowds have failed to increase over a period when the overall league's average crowd has almost doubled?
- Websites have been left out of date for long periods?
- It constantly has issues over availability and quality of merchandise (income stream)?
- Customers regularly complain about not having phones answered, messages replied to or emails replied to?
- It can't (be d to?)organise or carry out minutes silences?
- It produces a season ticket/membership offering and promotional material that results in pages of people trying to work out what it actually costs?
- Keeps coaches in place well beyond their useful life?
- Signs unfit/injured players?
- Relies on players going to different gyms in different places to do gym work?

That's off the top of me head - I'm sure theres more. Most of those are not money/cost issues - just issues with being more professional and changing how things are done.

But they were in the same boat with failures, whats the relavance of their salary cap ? they were s*it, now they are good !

Clue.... It's the people within the organisation

Well ill happily swap shoes with Huddersfield & Hull wouldn't you?

The thing is Salford have been happy over years just to plod on and not make any progress look at KR getting promoted a few seasons back and are now fighting for play offs, Castleford (on field), Huddersfield etc they have all come on massively over the past few seasons and then look at where we are.

We have finished in the playoffs once and as parish said its not good enough. Don't give me all this bull about not being spending the full salary cap I fully accept we don't operate on the full amount but neither do Castleford, and surely KR didn't when they first came up (they probably still don't) and look the progress between them and it is huge.

For years and years we have been told lie after lie by the club with regards to signings,stadium, etc and its has done nothing but upset and disappoint fans and you can not blame them for wanting change.

I know for a fact (and now I cant say how) that two of those players did NOT undergo medicals before they signed if anyone finds that acceptable then that's your choice. Simms is a waste of space yes he may care about the club as Wilky says but ffs I Love the club but that doesn't give me the right to get a job with the club, so why should it with Simms?

We only survived because we have a shiny new stadium and the only other tentative link is that we are the only club in the Salford/Manchester area.
Come the next round of franchises if we are still at the bottom with low crowds then we will be out.

You did read the franchise application then? And our competitiors?

I would like to see;

- Salford McRae failure Parish success "same resourses" -

added to that list too though.

My concern is that most people on here seem to be saying MP can't improve on what SMc did without more money?

I don't think it's the case that people blindly defend he Club, they just see things a little more realistically instead of going with their emotional responses. We all sing off the same hymn sheet, we all support our Club. SalfordExUni has a valid point with regards to success and failure. A good two thirds of forum posters disappear when we win games. They are disturbingly absent when something positive happens at the Club, and very rarely offer anything mentally stimulating about anything (Unless you count bloody awful spelling and what appears to be people using keyboards with only 14 keys on them as stimulating.)

What worries me though, is when they do appear they do more harm than good. The only time Mr Barker trawls through our forum is when negativity abounds, which ends up in the local rag, which gets picked-up by National Media. Before you know it, you get more people ranting about something or other and a vicious circle ensues.

If Salford were even marginally more successful, half the posts on here would not exist.

All this nit-picking over things most of us have very very little full knowledge of is probably doing more harm than good.

Ignoring the rest of your post as being irrelevant; there wouldn't be the need for any forum under that pretence.

Could you please elaborate on those who have a more realistic insight as to those who show emotion? Considering you must have more than 26 keys it shouldn't be a problem. Realism, truths and facts have been posted on here albeit with a greater emotion as to those who do actually blindlessly defend the club. I'm confused whether you believe that someone who has been more privvy to information than yourself and others are solely posting high on emotion?

Can anyone point in the direction of a quote from MP where he states he was misled as to the money he'd have to spend, or where he has said that we are in the situation we're in because of a lack of money?

In fact, from the BBC article has been identifying systemic cultural problems at the Club can we put this bowlacks about us being crap because we can't spend as much as others to bed and start concentrating on the reality?

We're being held back by incompetance and lack of ambition far more than we're being held back by a lack of money. Wake up and smell the ing coffee folks.

Well, I've just had my tea and I really can't be bothered.

Is that unemotional enough?

I was making a point about negativity and how it can have further reaching connotations. Thanks for ignoring it, GT is quite right with regards to threads being ignored or strategically nit-picked from both sides. I could ramble on or make another point valid or not, but people see what they want to see and rarely change opinion, and like I said I can't be bothered.