Exactly I personnally was extremely happy and enthused by last weeks performance looking like we'd picked up on the form at the back end of last season, this just puts us back 6 months both mentally and from a fan base point of view.

I can't put my finer on last night's performance, Looks like we took Saints for granted not just the players but the coaching staff as well. Trust me this is the lowest we've been since the arrival of Koukash!

The problem is if you look at Saints starting props and rotation compared to yours you are nowhere near. Plus Roby V Lee no chance. How Lee keeps getting contracts I have no idea. Blowing big cap money on a full back when you have Lee at 9 in very badly advised. As said need to win the battle in the middle. Sims who Warrington signed or someone of his power and attitude is required.

The real test will be how they get on against Huddersfield, Widnes and the two Hulls. If they can pick up a decent number of points against them and consistently turn over their fellow bottom 4 candidates then it won't matter if they keep getting stuffed by the big boys. Get to 8th place by the time of the split and it will mean no threat of relegation and more cash for the club

I'm afraid I agree with this point of view.
Salford have picked up a few misfits and they're not doing what they hoped.

Hock, great potential, but puts his team in the red because he can't keep his cool.
Chase, great individual, but can't play well in a structure. Cas did better once he'd left.
Players like Griffin the Hairpuller and Scott Taylor have arrived at Salford under clouds after being released by their clubs.
Tasi seems useful, but you're lacking workhorses. Huby would have been a good target for you.

They've obviously got some solid pros in Morley, Dobson, Harrison and they have some promising youngsters, but the general infantry of the squad is riddled with flaky characters. Makes me feel sorry for young Dixon getting shipped out when he'd have tackled all night.

Salford started okay last night, many Saints fans were expecting us to lose, but once the initial exchanges hadn't gone the Red's way, they gave up. Real shame for everyone concerned.

Jamie Ellis (I think a Cas fan will confirm this) Tim Smith, Marc Snyed (sorry for spelling) Dobson, Plus internationals. Rangi Chase is great to watch but until people realise he might be the problem not who plays along side him. Can anyone name a halfback that has done well playing along side him?

In over sixty years of supporting Salford, last night has to be one of the most disappointing games we've had. We've had false dawns before, but I struggle to remember games when we've been so comprehensively outplayed in any game - and that includes Bradford away in 2000.

I try hard not to believe all the hype but did genuinely think that the days when we suffered humiliations like last night were gone for good. Everyone involved needs to take a good, hard look at themselves in the mirror. Saints were good, defended excellently, played with structure and moved the ball wider - but in truth, they didn't need to be that good to beat the team that faced them last night.

What Salford have to prove now is that last night was an uncharacteristic blip, never to be repeated.

It's difficult enough getting new people to come to games; performances like last night's don't encourage die-hard fans to come back, let alone newcomers.

I am trying to believe that things can only get better, but this morning I'm finding it difficult.

I forgot to mention Lee. Hooker's such an important role in the team and there's plenty of decent ones about.
With all due respect, this is a position that needs sorting ASAP for the Reds.

Letting Syned go with all the promise he'd shown and replacing him with an expensive show pony in Chase - Cas picked up Liam Finn for presumably less money and started to excel.

They should have been going for players like Huby, Milner, Kirmond and building a good solid, no frills pack that could reliably grind it out against 2/3 of the league. Then get a half back who can kick and you'll turn over any team who turns up off form or not respecting possession.

What's the lad playing in the halves for Leigh called (not Breierly)? Nice little general who would relish a last go at SL at a club that could be creating something special.

BJB was a good move, as was Caton-Brown, but its no good being able to play the piano if you've got no one to carry it to the theatre.

No. We usually played Rangi as the only half back and just played an extra forward.
However, I don't think Rangi and Sneyd every actually played together! Having seen both, I think this could work well.

For his best two years rangi played alongside Danny Orr who took care of the more conventional stuff like organising the team and kicking.

Looking from the outside in Salford have no balance to the team at all,for every good player there is a poor one at the side of him.

Look at all the good teams and they all have a good balance between class,workhorses and a sprinkling of young lads who have come through the youth system that have hunger and a desire to succeed,look at saints last night and the young players in their team were nothing short of superb.

I don't know who's advising Marwa koukash but the biggest investment made when taking over should of been into the youth development.

I'm pretty sure jumping from player to player and from coach to coach won't work it needs a long term plan and tiny steps forward if it's ever going to be successful unfortunately time and patience doesn't look like its something marwan has.

Agree with everything you say.

In the past four seasons we have spent heavily on wages. Weve built up major interest in the club and on every occassion its fallen flat.

Look at the positive attendances at these 3 for example
- Catalans last game at The Willows
- Cas first game at City of Salford Stadium
- Wakefield first game of 2014
Everytime we have failed to deliver and the crowds have dropped off alarmingly.

Last Saturday we took one of the biggest away followings I can recall and everything was v positive. Last night has deflated everyone. We will be lucky to attract 2k home fans for the Hull game.

I fear that if the Dr's approach is not rewarded soon then there will be no one able to pick up the pieces.

Something is obviously not working at our club for one reason or another.

If I had any advice for Marwan this is what it would be...

-Stop making huge statements and putting unnecessary pressure on the players
-Have patience (Wire lost their first 5 games in 2009 and won the Challenge Cup)
-Put heaps of money in the youth system and bring through hungry young players
-Make sure we have some decent trial games before the season starts
-Focus on making Salford a success first before you try and take the NRL by storm too, you can't run before you can walk
-Stay positive and believe, it's a long season and we WILL improve!

Manchester City are a fantastic example of this, they are throwing multi-millions at their academies to make the club self sustainable for the future.

On reflection this has to be one of the worst Salford performances ever, under the circumstances.

Can someone explain to me how professional athletes can hit the wall after just 10 minutes of physical activity? All the bull$hit from several players about feeling fitter than ever and it being a very tough pre-season is laughable. These lot should be on at the comedy store, not a rugby league pitch. Disgraceful.

I can't believe the team last night was pretty much the same team as Saturday. On Saturday we looked structured in both defence and attack (Barring about 10 minutes in the first half), committed and really up for it. Last night we looked disinterested, unstructured (Apart from the first 15 minutes) in both defence and attack.
The difference I thought was the fact that Kevin Locke was put into the team ahead of Niall Evalds. I'm not calling Kevin Locke because he's a world class player when he's fit.
Last night he was put into the team when he obviously wasn't fit. He even looked as though he was limping before we kicked off! That meant that a number of players didn't have the confidence in his defence because they knew he wasn't fit. As mentioned earlier BJB was virtually dropping back to Full Back half the time.
I think that there may have been pressure put on Iestyn Harris to play Kevin Locke last night and it upset the balance of the team not to mention the team spirit that was evident to the great Salford following at Warrington.
One other point, why play one of the best strike second rowers in world rugby as a prop forward? Leave Gareth where he plays best because we have enough Props on our books this year.
Hopefully it's a blip in the season with a relatively new team.
I for one was very disappointed last night, but it won't stop me turning out home and away in the future.
Bring on the next game