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ERIC SHAW PREDICTION LEAGUE & PLAY OFFS WINNER 2013
Don't like it? Well Frack off then. Energy & progress for all.
Foe is our friend.
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| Quote: The Black Cat "Darren I think you missed the point!?'"
No I didn't, I was simply stating that pointing out that there have been some incredibly talented and worthwhile players at Salford throughout the SL era.
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3596.jpg this will not be the end, or even the beginning of the end.
It is merely the end of the beginning
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| Quote: Michigan red "No I didn't, I was simply stating that pointing out that there have been some incredibly talented and worthwhile players at Salford throughout the SL era.'"
Yep you missed the point but we'll leave it there.
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| I think I have a solution (at least on the playing front).
We need a hard-working, no-nonsense prop froward (someone like Paul Highton). Behind him we could give a maverick scrum-half a free role (someone like Sean Long). Get us another decent centre to replace Gleeson, someone who knows where the try line is (someone like Alan Hunte). To shore things up at the back we're gonna need a no-frills, solid full back (someone like Phile Veivers)... ![THINK eusa_think.gif](images/smilies//eusa_think.gif)
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11969.jpg Me and are kid (TheButcher) putting the world two rights.
ERIC SHAW PREDICTION LEAGUE & PLAY OFFS WINNER 2013
Don't like it? Well Frack off then. Energy & progress for all.
Foe is our friend.
mitie mouse, Lancetodd, Marshy1, eccles star, Dantes Inferno, Philyourboots, biggunbrad, DAVE@CAS1990, RED LEAGUE, OzWelsh, Red-Devils-PAW, newgroundb4wakey
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| Quote: The Black Cat "Yep you missed the point but we'll leave it there.'"
Don't tell me what I did and didn't do, you have your views and opinions and I have mine - thankfully they will never meet.
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| Loyal Fan summed it all up, great post. The club I supported and followed all over since I was young is falling apart we get lows being Salford fans we know that but this is the lowest I've felt. Feel sick to the stomach and going past the stadium tonight didn't help seeing those Sale fans walking to a ground that we sweat blood and tears for that we were promised for well over a decade and they just waltz right in and take over. Absolutely heart breaking god knows where we will end up at this rate.
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| I've not posted for a while but felt the need to support Loyal Fan's post.
I have been watching since I was a kid (I'm not a kid any more - my ridiculous user name is from the days of the sportinglife boards!) and many of my family have been Salford supporters before me. But like Loyal Fan the magic went out of watching Salford a few years ago although I did still go to every game (and enjoy it) through the Harvey years. Its the McRae years and old stalwarts Littler and Highton leaving that did for me. I have not been to a game for over a year and dont plan to - its a sad state of affairs.
Its not just the club though - there are no characters playing anymore. The game is full of mercinaries out for the money and obviously looking at footballers as role models. What happened to the Tex Evans, Steve Gibsons, Paul Forbers, Neil Baynes etc.. who used to entertain us even when the rugby was atrocious? If I remember rightly Neil shed a tear when he was told he would be released - the players these days cant sign for someone else and get photo'd in their shirt quick enough.
I said last year when Ratchford left that there was a whif of him deserting a sinking ship - sadly its looking that way.
Things may change but as it stands I cant really consider myself a supporter any more.
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| Quote: Michigan red "Don't tell me what I did and didn't do, you have your views and opinions and I have mine - thankfully they will never meet.'"
First and foremost... you do have my complete respect as a Salford supporter... but I'm sorry to say... you did seem to miss my point... However... I absolutely value your opinion, but can't agree 100% with it.
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| Quote: notorious "Its the McRae years'"
The Mcrae years have done untold damage to Salford. The amount of people who lost interest during this period is massively understated. Another masterstroke by certain people at the club being persuaded to give him a 4 and a half year deal and then being unwilling/unable to afford to pay him off when it all turned sour.
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| Quote: Ave It! "I have no idea why your bringing the stupid Kevin Sinfield rumour into it? And I don't know what the players are on, I do know that it’s a good wage though (Feka and Anderson especially). I can't exactly see any other super league clubs queuing up for their services can you? If Salford don't offer them a contract they will end up playing in the Championship or retiring. I fail to see how you cannot form that opinion, the super league coaches seem to have.
Ratchford and Smith both signing contracts is totally irrelevant because neither are here now. Both signed because at the time they probably weren't good enough to get first team rugby at any other club so they both waited to the time was right then moved on. If Salford were a club moving forward they wouldn't have needed to go anywhere else would they? So to answer your question, no the club wasn't ok, although it was good enough to offer some more first team super league experience, but that’s all we ever were to them a stop gap if you like.
And, yeah I bet Matty Smith is really gutted we sold him. What a ludicrous thing to say. He has the opportunity to play in a grand final again this year with the biggest Rugby Club in the world instead of stodging the rest of the season out with us.
Yeah, I know Patten is retiring where have I said any different? I said that Patten is not taking up the option of a third year, which he did have in his original contract by the way. And why do you think he's not taking it up? Because he can't wait to get out, he's said as much himself. I bet he's gutted he didn't take up the chance of going to Huddersfield. He stated that things going on behind the scenes at Salford are things he'd never thought he'd see at a professional sports club. He and a number of players both ex and present have said this, Salford RLFC has been like this for a number of years, Robbie Paul is the most recent player to come and say as much.
I'm glad these 3 have signed and that’s something that the club should be applauded on (you see I can give praise where its due), but my concern is what if they actually become good like Ratchford, like Myler, like Gleeson etc will we be letting them go? Remember they will both only be 23 at the end of the 5 years so are they just using as the 'stop gap' again? Well yes I think they will be if we don't start to show some serious improvement in the next few years to make these kids and more like them want to stay.
The fact that threads and debates like this are even happening suggests we're struggling. I speak to countless fans who have lost interest, can't be bothered going. The relationship between everyone at the club
Your reply encapsulates what I’ve been trying to say. You don’t actually [iknow[/i what the players you listed are on, but you [iassume[/i the player you spoke to does (why would he? Do you discuss your Ts & Cs with your workmates?), and go on to assume that those players won’t get offers anywhere else (who would have thought Ian Sibbit and Simon Finnegan would have ended up at other Super League clubs?), that Salford would offer them the same terms they are currently on (otherwise the terms offered by other clubs – if any – become better in comparison), terms you assume to be good. I’m just not seeing any hard evidence here.
What we have, then, is a forum with a small but vociferous group of people who seem to have decided that things are bad and then go looking for the evidence to support it. It’s significant that when I mentioned that not all players are leaving and that, in fact, some of the most promising youngsters have signed extended deals, your immediate response to that apparent silver lining was to go looking for the cloud. Yes, Salford are a stepping stone club. By my reckoning, there are ten such clubs in Super League. Nevertheless, to sign a five year contract at a club that is apparently delaminating before our eyes suggests, to me, that things aren’t as black as some paint it on here.
But it seems, everything the club does it does badly, and we have a lengthy post by someone who likes to use ellipses a lot (can’t remember his/her name, sorry) detailing that view. Fair enough, the club has made mistakes, but it’s easy to run a club when you don’t actually have to do it, and it’s even easier when you have the benefit of hindsight, something the people making the decisions don’t have. So, yes, appointing Shaun McRae was a big mistake, but I recall complaints on this very forum about Salford’s habit of appointing inexperienced coaches (Harvey, McCormack, Harrison, et al) and the club responded by appointing what the fans had asked fors[/is off in less than a year, leaving the club in no better state than it was when he came. Worse, in fact, because he became the catalyst for the upsurge in negativity on here.
And bigger clubs than Salford balls up. On the coaching front, think of Ian Millward at Wigan and Royce Simmons at Saints. On the general admin front, Salford have come nowhere near the gigantic clusterfu[ic[/ik that is Bradford. I think the difference is that people on here are now looking for the balls ups, which is a shame.
But that’s not to say everything is rosy, and we’re perhaps not as far apart as it may appear. I think where we disagree is on where the problems lie. For me, they boil down to a lack of finance, and this has two root causes. Firstly, John Wilkinson isn’t the bottomless pit of money that some club’s benefactors seem to be and secondly (brace yourselfcurrently[/i playing in Super League than there have [iever[/i been Salfordians throughout the entire fifteenish years Super League has existed. That’s why I believe we are fortunate to even have a Super League club. And, for me, that suggests things aren’t as black as some would have it.
Anyhoo, I’ll stop boring you now and leave it at that. I doubt you’re going to persuade me that everything is black, just as I’m not going to persuade you that not everything is, and I doubt anyone is going to persuade the excitables on here that pointing out that not everything the club does is wrong is [inot[/i the same as believing everything it does is right, and that you’re just an apologist for them . Far from it.
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| Quote: Red John "But it seems, everything the club does it does badly, and we have a lengthy post by someone who likes to use ellipses a lot (can’t remember his/her name, sorry) detailing that view. '"
I think you have also missed the point of my post. However, I can't help but like the passion you show for the club. I think we could spend all day discussing our thoughts and feelings about all things Salford (all as a healthy debate of course).
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| Quality post Loyalfan.
When you involve yourself in the Club that you love. Grow up with it. Become so familiar with every aspect that it feels like an extension of your home and your life. It's hard to take the lows at the moment. We seem to be slowly starving to death as a Club and it's heartbreaking to witness it and be unable to do anything about it. Rugby League as a whole seems to have lost something over the last decade or so with it's relentless push to an unachievable dream. It feels more hollow. Less involved, at least to me.
Salford feels like a stripped down version of the old Club. Like we've peeled off layers of our hundred year history. Cast it off in an effort to keep up with the steamroller that is modern Sport. We seem to be barely keeping up and have lost so much of what we made over the years. It wasn't perfect, but it was ours. On paper we have not changed, but the soul of our Club has become hollow.
Sad days.
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| Quote: redmatt77 "This sentence
"putting people off going to the game with your incessant slagging off the club" (no mentions of posts on this forum).
Is not the same as this sentence
"poor attendances are down to posts on this message board"
Some people have conveniently concentrated on one line in my post, misinterpreted it and missed the bigger picture I was trying to paint.
So I'll put it another way.
If someone continually slaggs of SCR to people they live, work and socialise with. Are those people likely to have negative perceptions about SCR because of what they hear from said person?'"
But you are still suggesting that people are staying away from the club because of negative posts on here. Perhaps you live in a happy little bubble, but most of the people I know who've stopped going have done so because of the way in which the club and new stadium have been run.
I do agree with the last paragraph, definitely. But, where do those negative perceptions of the initial person "slagging off" the club come from? People have been worn down over the years, but still people like yourself cannot see that things have been done poorly by Salford for quite a while. People are not staying away because of negative posts/comments or whatever else from Salford supporters, particularly on a forum which is only read by a minority.
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| If we had someone who cared running the club this thread would scare the crap out of them.
If.
The only thing that will save the soul of our club now is a fan taking over in a leadership or ownership role. It may well continue as a business but it'll never be something the people of Salford are proud of and can fall in love with again otherwise.
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| Quote: Jibmeister "But you are still suggesting that people are staying away from the club because of negative posts on here. Perhaps you live in a happy little bubble, but most of the people I know who've stopped going have done so because of the way in which the club and new stadium have been run.
I do agree with the last paragraph, definitely. But, where do those negative perceptions of the initial person "slagging off" the club come from? People have been worn down over the years, but still people like yourself cannot see that things have been done poorly by Salford for quite a while. People are not staying away because of negative posts/comments or whatever else from Salford supporters, particularly on a forum which is only read by a minority.'"
I can’t work out if you are pulling my leg or you are serious!
I point out that at no point have I said "posts on this forum stop people attending games".
Following it with clarification of what I said so there could be no misunderstanding (something which you agreed with).
And you still have a go!
You need to let it go.
Also, at no point have I said that the club is run well.
Do I still live in a bubble?
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| Great Post,Loyalfan.The views shared by a lot of us,you should send the chairman and the board a copy.
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