I think that`s fair comment GT & I am always one for a debate and I have a flexible mind if circumstances put in front of me alter. For the moment though I am right behind anybody who is keeping the good ship afloat and that where my loyalties will stay for the time being.

As a lifelong Salford supporter I have genuine concerns over the club and the way that some things have been run over the years and yes many things could have been done more professionally than they have been but one has to accept, that as many people have set out previously, we have to be thankful that the club is still operating, in Superleague and in my opinion holding it's own considering its income stream compared with the amounts that other clubs can afford or are willing to spend and take a chance on the consequences.

I can and do accept different opinions from any supporter, I see things differently than members of my family do but what I find hard to accept and what really sticks in my throat are the people who whilst in the Chairmans and or the Directors company are all smiles etc, yet return to the Turkey slagging them off.

At numerous meetings attended by the Chairman,Directors and other staff these same people sit there, say nothing to their faces, ask no questions and then post something that bears no relation to what took place at the meeting.

This week has been a great week for any Salford supporter but still some people aren't satisfied well I am and all the fans that I have spoken to are also happy and looking forward to Friday and another good performance, win or lose.

GT there are a few people on this forum who chose to offer 95% of the time only critical and negative contributions. The vast majority of the criticism has been repeatedly aimed at a small number of people at the club over a long period. My interpretation is that these people are feeding off each others frustrations and looking for every opportunity to identify a debatable failing and aim it at the usual long serving scapegoats.

When certain forum members respond to these posts because they have a view and want to debate the topic they are labeled as being in a ‘defend the club at all costs’ clique. I can recall many occasions, when a post has been challenged with question(s) to debate a subject, that they have chosen to ignore the question and play the ‘defend the club at all cost’ opt-out card.

What do these people expect in reply when they often make such slanderous and defamatory comments? Yeah fair enough you must be right because you know best and I’m not allowed to think for myself and have my own opinion.

If I read something I don’t agree with sometimes I like to challenge that with my views and debate it. I am certainly not under some false illusion the club is run perfectly and I’m sure there are many things that could be done much better. I’d love nothing more than to see some positive changes but I realise I’m not the person to influence that or nor should anyone on here think they can. (Unless they were willing to invest a large sum of money in the club) The long term future of this club will be decided by the man in the sky not the scarlet turkey forum.

What some people don't realise is that they aren’t in the right place to always make a correct judgment because they don’t have all the information. It’s a bit like trying to do a jigsaw puzzle and realising there are some missing pieces, you will never be able to see the full picture.

Great posts all round.

The irony is that there is no 'defend the Management at all costs' clique. They are people who are coherent of the fact that they don't know everything. Nobody can make any rational judgements on anything at the Club because they just don't see 90% of what goes on at a Club. Those members of this Forum who have a better understanding and knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes rarely contribute to the slagging matches, choosing to keep their opinions to themselves. Unfortunately, the so-called 'Clique' are just people who feel the need to counter-balance what they feel is poorly presented and opinionated posts. It all does get a little out of hand at times.

The other irony is that there are worthy talking points about management and events behind the scenes which should be debated but often aren't because valid points are lost to 'one-upmanship'.

theredshed makes a great point when saying that opinions should always be reserved to what you know, with speculation labelled as such, and personal likes and dislikes left out. After all, you can't say with any certainty unless you have all the facts that your opinion bares any resemblance to what actually goes on.

I'm not denying that and I actually agree with the rest of your post and the majority of what others have said. I just don't think that "feeding the trolls", so to speak, does any good. It's all well and good arguing a point that you disagree with, but when someone's purely setting out to disagree with you, won't change their mind and is clearly just looking for a reaction, what's the point? I've seen it on other forums as well - good debate gets stifled because neither 'group' is willing to ignore the other.

I think this from The Butcher is spot on

Maybe we should all start using that "foe"/ignore feature on here...

I've avoided using it so far, hoping in all faith, that reasoned debate might come from certain individuals.

A few posts on other threads recently has convinced me that DI is just a troll looking for reaction, so I've made him a foe. I'm not missing anything so why not...

I'd suggest instead of reacting, which is hard sometimes, others do the same.