PT the money mentioned is the club overdraft which is owned by JW, or the club debt, so if someone came in they would have to clear the debt first then pay for the club. With regards Dave Tarry he can't be made redundant because in law the club requires a chief exec, but he can be fired and then argue his case at an industrial tribunal. And if anyone thinks that a certain bookie would come in look how much money and publicity he has got with paying up early on United winning the league, the only thing he thinks about is himself. As for Steve Simms do we need a director of rugby? if we were to makr that position redundant then we only need to pay £430 a week for each year he has been here or 1.5 weeks for every year he has been here whilst aged 40 or over. If it is 10 years that would be 15 weeks at £430 per week which equals £6450.

Having concerns about the Sale move doesn't make anyone a prophet of doom. Not sure I have ever claimed to be an expert on the clubs finances or the way it is being run. When Early Bath posts the 30 positives of this move for Salford I may change my opinion.

Facinating stuff from EB and PT

PT presume JW wants £5m for nearly 30 years of hard graft and probably huge losses financially over that time and I wouldn't bregude him that
Money is the main thing here DT would need a golden handshake a new owner would want his own people in so this would happen sooner or later
As for SS you want rid of him but we would need a replacement for sure to allow PV and SL to concentrate on coaching any suggestions? SS is a better Director of football than DT was back in the late 1990s and I think a change might bring new ideas but without a replacement then its a no from me.

But I do take your point PT £5m and you don't get anything physical you can call an assit is a huge bump in the road when deciding to buy the club, probably the reason BK or anyone else hasn't shown an interest or if he has made it known

EB karlos is a good lad he ain't no dinosaur so when your sending the 30 advantages cut me in on it too

Pev has answered for me re JAWs Loans & DT. Re SS - He is governed totally by the Budget given and for me he does a decent job. I dont think DJ, Cashmere, Stapo, Patten, Rutcho have been poor players - do you?

The position is clear and surely its not worth going over old ground. JAW is stuck with the club unless a Fairy Godfather appears which is about 1000/1 I would estimate. I fear for the club and have said previously unless we embrace the new connection in the next 2 years I would doubt whether we will get another Franchise as Administration would follow. Its quite clear that JAW has had enough.

Karlos if you play Poker its very unwise to show your hand if you want to win. What I will say re the advantages for SCR will come from a Joint initiative with Sale to make the whole of Mcr & Salford aware that all roads lead to Barton. It will take time and money but the rewards could be vast. The dinosaurs will have to embrace Sale - warts and all - for Salford to survive. Its a simple equation and we cannot do it on our own.

The clubs poker face is very good because we don't have a clue what's going on

As for SS you could also add mick burne, mark corvo, Greg Ebrill and cabbage I think ??to that list, fact is we won't know how good a Director of football SS is until we have somebody to compare him too compared to DT he is premier league

Interesting that for all the name calling elsewhere and the attempts to shift this into yet another anti-Wilky/Simms/Tarry tirade, nobody's yet to pick up on any of the above....

It's easier to trade in insults and supposition than debate the actual facts I guess.

go on ill answer your questions

1) no i want the salford city stadium to be a success it should be used to promote the city and be viewed in the same light as the lowry and media city as a shining light in the city
2) probably closed all together if im honest as if it is purchased by a private company they could easily kick the citys premier sports club out and as long as the council has a say i think we are safe in using the facility
3)I would be happy with improvements in and around the stadium BUT i would hope any major structual changes would not take place during OUR season as loss of revenue would be crutial
4) I would be pleased if we had memoribia up on the walls and in the stands, and if it means sale has the same then i surpose so be it, it HAS to be equal mind if its not then leave it bare
5)I think the club has shown ambition moving to barton and its a good sign they are taking a chance rather than a slow painful death over the next 30 years

I Would be interested in the lets say "extreme" views of certain people on this board on the the questions put to us by WF hopefully they will reply

I'm willing to take part in a rational debate. Please could you list the 30 benefits to the club you can see, so that I can take them on board and give my opinions?

If you ignore DI, MM and so on, many of us have been posting some genuine concerns about not only the Sale "link-up", but the way in which Salford has been run and the way we are our own worst enemy. These concerns always seem to get passed over whilst people concentrate on the baseless ranting of a tiny few.

In return I will, when I have a few moments, sit down and properly read and respond to your post above.

He has his poker face on he ain't going to list them perhaps we should make a list of our own and then EB can tell us how many are on his list, quite disappointed nobody else has answered the questions STILL

I don't know whether anyone has seen the FAQ Sale Sharks produced for its fans: www.salesharks.com/RugbyNewsDeta ... le/2721098 I'm not sure whether we produced something similar but you should be able to pick through the useful bits. Worth a read.

I don't know whether anyone has seen the FAQ Sale Sharks produced for its fans: www.salesharks.com/RugbyNewsDeta ... le/2721098 I'm not sure whether we produced something similar but you should be able to pick through the useful bits. Worth a read.

Interesting would have been great if we had done something similar

Bobby, it was posted when a lot of people were already in Wakefield, or were travelling across. Considering many people would have had attention elsewhere on Sunday, will be in work today and not everyone's constantly glued to the internet I think that's a bit of an unfair post.

Okay. Rather than quoting the entire post from Wayward Fan, I'll take the questions one by one. There's no real point responding to the facts as they are, well, facts. Same with the opinion at the end, we'd only be going round in circles if I start quoting and responding to that as well. I'd probably also be repeating myself. So...

* would fans of Salford City Reds prefer to see the stadium fail as a business?

I think that's a fairly daft question, to be frank. Any Salford fan who wants the stadium to fail wants locking up away from the rest of humanity if you ask me. Of course people want the stadium to succeed and of course people want Salford as a club to succeed.

* in this eventuality, would the fans of SCR be happy to see the stadium bought from its current owners (the people of Salford) or be closed altogether?

I would hope the stadium has a clause somewhere stating that the facility must be used for community use, regardless of who is using it. Such an asset lock is in place on the new Community Stadium FC United are planning in Moston so that even if FCUM move in the future or go out of business, the stadium must be taken on by someone who will use it for the benefit of the local community. Hopefully, regardless of what happens with Salford, Sale or the SMC, the stadium can be used as a community facility. Whether or not that would be possible if the stadium fails I don't know, but I'd hope someone would be willing to take it on and run it as such.

* will the fans of SCR be happy to see vital improvements made to the stadium (including a proper supporters bar) and better transport links or will we be more concerned because "it's only happened because Sale are here."

I'd be perfectly happy to see improvements made. I would be concerned about how much influence other tenants have over us, regardless of whether or not it's Sale or anyone else. I believe a Supporters' Bar is now going to appear in the West Stand at some point - whilst I welcome this, the suggestion has been made to the SMC since we moved in and been ignored. Our co-tenants are getting it at the first request. This could be down to it now being financially viable, it could be a sign of our co-tenants being able to get their own way ahead of us as happened in their previous tenancy. Do we know the answer? Are we likely to find out? I'd say no to both of those and we've just got to make the best of it and hope the bar is a success. If it's run properly on our match days and used (although that will depend on the quality of beer solved for some) by Salford fans then we should have nothing to fear.

* will the fans of SCR be pleased to finally see some of the club's history/identity imprinted on the stadium (eg, pictures of legends in the concourses, bars named after past players etc) or will we be more bothered by the fact that Sale - as co-tenants - have got equal representation?

Considering the sterile feel to the place now, with nothing bar the illuminated signs on the main stand to make it feel like Salford City Reds' home ground, I'd be happy with any plan to show off Salford RLFC's history and heritage across the stadium. Knowing that Sale are co-tenants with equal right to representation means I would swallow my pride on the subject and put up with their representation as well. I won't like it, I don't have to like it, but what can I do?

* would the fans of SCR prefer to see the club die a slow death at the Willows or at least have the fighting chance of success in partnership with Sale at the new stadium?

I want to see the club survive, regardless of where we play. I still maintain that we could have survived at the Willows and, as things stand, I'm not sure whether we would have been better off taking Championship rugby for a while after RCD went belly-up in order to try and get ourselves back together and ensure any ground built was our own, giving us total control over our destiny. In fact, I think that's the biggest issue - not so much that Sale are moving in, it's the fact that this was meant to be our ground, securing our future and giving us total control over our future. That's not happened and we do have to deal with in the best possible way. But I'll come to that last.

Quality post GT. I don't agree with 100% of what you say (it'd be boring if we did) but it's nice to see a bit of reasoned debate without all the other nonsense that often gets chucked about.

I guess the thing we do agree on is that we now have to up our own game and see what happens.