So Mr Middleman - You believe that Mario, Flat Stanley & Stanley 30 are one and the same? Interesting.

Flat Stanley is the equivalent of Lord Haw Haw in the War and look what happened to him!

Apologies - Haw Haw wasnt - he was hanged by that late great swinger Albert Pierrepoint.

Cheeky fuc$k . Don't put me in the sane category as that numpty!

What numpty is that Stanley 30. ?????????

I'm sure Vidot will be gutted he doesn't meet your high standards
Didn't take Carney long with what fitness?

I have a strong feeling you aren't interested in anyone else's opinion but, just in case......

Yes he's a winger but he's not a martin offiah style, he's a grafter. He makes hard yards, that requires match fitness whatever position you play in. Now you've played the game. As have I. And I've coached it too. So you'll know as well as I do that when players aren't fit it shows in some of their stats. Stats don't prove everything but unfit players tend to have fewer carries, make fewer metres and miss more tackles. So let's have a look shall we

V saints. First SL performance, second game (can't find stats for Cas game). Vidot made 16 carries. Only Roby (19) and Carney (1icon_cool.gif made more. Walmsley, Amor and Sau also made 16. Back rowers as you have compared to those grafters - Wilkin made 14, BMM (another player you've bagged for laziness) 13, LMS 12. All the others in single figures

Metres made - 124. Sau (131) and Carney (135) made more for Salford. Given you've referred to Carneys fitness being fine is only making 11m more than a pudding ok with you? Swift (154), Amor (132) and Roby (125) made more for saints

Average gain - 7.75m. Only Dobson, Evalds, Sau and BMM (that lazy player again) had higher for Salford. 6 higher for saints but most off far fewer carries

Tackles/miss tackles - 6/1. Not great but compares favourably with Evalds 11/3 and Lui 16/3

V Widnes - 20 carries. More than anyone else on pitch. Despite spending 15 mins off having concussion assessment

Metres made - 144m. Only Carney with a huge 182 made more. No Widnes players did

Average gain - 7.2m. 7 Salford players made higher (inc that lazy BMM again with an impressive 11.11) similar numbers of Widnes players

2 tackles, 0 missed

2 tries, 3 tackle busts

He also made Total RL Super League Team of the Week, but what do they know?

Lots of other ways of showing fitness that I haven't seen figure for - speed of play the ball, getting back in defensive line but haven't seen anything obvious in all that . Could point to all kind of comparisons that show he could be doing better and no-one is arguing that he is as sharp as he could be yet (including him) but this absolutely shows that there is no significant problem with his fitness. If you think junior Langi ever turned in any stats like that then you're in dream land. As most have said could be better, could be worse but his work rate is high

Anyway I'm sure you will now change the angle of your attack, but thought this might help

By the way only 10 players (one was Carney) made more carries or metres than Vidot across all the games at magic weekend. Only 2 made more carries and metres:

Mickael Simon - Wakefield - 23 carries but only 140 metres. Only Batieti made more metres than Vidot (149) in that game
Aaron Murphy - Hudds - also 20 carries and 148 metres. Kyle Amor made an impressive 155 metres from 17 carries
Junior Moors - Cas - made 152 metres from 22 carries and Chris Hill made an even more impressive 162 metres from 16 carries
John Bateman -Wigan - wins with 194 metres from 23 carries. Charnely and Sutton also made a few more metres than Vidot but with fewer carries

Err, RUTB< using statistics to support your hypothesis?

Isn't this a waste of time? Photo-shopped photos, edited you-tube videos, selective quotes ... this may sway your audience.

For the edification of Mr FS, long-suffering readers of my posts from 2002 will realise I dislike one-sided criticisms of individual players. I do not think it does any good. I feel it shows frustration and immaturity. There have been some players I have wanted to write diatribes about but decided not to. I have challenged such comments from day 1 of joining this forum. I'm not going to argue about the right to speech. It's quite a complex issue. One aspect is the effect of your statements. And before you use this to accuse others of bullying you, Butcher did praise your comments in a recent thread.

I've nothing against your wanting to believe in a flat earth. Nowt. That doesn't mean I will not discuss it.

Flat Stanley: Yes I played rugby but obviously not to your high standard, I bow to the key board warriors superior knowledge, forgive me?

Carney didn't completely rip his pectoral muscle clean from his bone. Vidot has undergone a major injury which prevented him from doing any strength or cardio related work for months. He has also had no pre-season. If you've played the game you'll appreciate that no amount of training can compensate for match fitness. We wont see Vidot back to his best for another good few weeks yet.

Well said JGR. Seems the way of quite a few people on here, who have never played the game, post stuff they know nothing about

While playing the game helps you understand the nuances it doesn't mean it makes you a RL genius. Look at Gary Schofield, great player but terrible pundit.

Quote to bear in mind: "Making someone feel special when they actually are, is a small thing with a big payoff."

I think a fully fit vidot is going to be a great addition to our side. Between him and Carney we will bag plenty of tries. Can't understand some supporters on here give the lad a chance ffs!

No response from Flat Stanley to my questions, or anyone else's comments for the past 2 days,

Question's too hard for him????

Who ever he maybe, ?????????

Haha of all the auto corrects!