yep DI you are correct it looks like Wilkie has been taking at least £30m a year out of Salford and not putting anything in, we have made him so much money he might just retire this year and let the club keep the £30m a year it makes.

If players leave for the money then its fair enough for me, dont want the club to bankrupt themselves trying to keep somebody, its a short career they need to fill their boots with as much cash as they can .

EB is spot on people demanding that Tarry / Simms are sacked but have no plan of action after ill tell you what would happen it would throw our club into a state of chaos and probably into meltdown our playing department wouldnt have a head to make decitions ect, our Administation side wouldnt have a Chief executive to bean count and basically make decitons.

At a push you might get one sacked after a reaily poor season in our new stadium and no growth at all off the field but asking for both is....well...bonkers in my opinion.

I just wish the usual suspects would come up with a plan so we can discuss it rationally, the positives and negatives, perhaps they might have a great idea which would allow us to grow as a club into the community but without disclosing it we will never know.

I do feel EB must have had a few beers celebrating on sunday to shoot across the bow like that but hay happy days, people shoot machine guns in the air sometimes to celebrate why cant EB

I was referring to your schizophrenic prose and not the content particularly. Although the content can be hit and miss. Why do you think I'm funny? I wasn't trying to be funny.

lance is not the most miserable man in Salford but he certainly gets into the Final.

So because I support the club, the Board for their efforts and the players on the park I am Wilko`s underling am I? Well so be it - if you feel that way.

I can assure you my views differ from JAW but he is rowing our boat and sadly the crew are disappearing over the side yet the rats are still about at the bottom of the boat.

When I discussed with `JR Hartley` who sadly doesnt post on here any more `who was the miserable man on the left` re a pic in the programme earlier in the season - he told me that it was your good self lance. JR told me that after calling JAW during the week you are always keen to shake his hand after the match. Raise a smile for the camera next time chum.

By the way I think you may be pleasantly surprised with the squad lining up for next season. Personally I am more bothered about keeping our excellent coaching staff.

Hello MM - you`ve been quiet this week. My 30+ ideas have gone to the right people and lets hope views are enacted.

I never realised you were old enough to know `Will Hay` who is in my Avatar. Learn something every day.

You must be totally deluded Early Bath like myself and several other posters on here.

Without him and a couple of others Salford would be the most professional run sports club in history. In no time at all we’d be Superleague Champions, Wembley winners and World Club Champions. The squad would consist of 25 international superstars playing in front of 4921 average crowds and being paid several hundred grand below the salary cap.

Our marketing would move to a completely new level, the club would strike a deal with both Man Utd and Man City to put the Salford Reds name on their shirts in return for a few free tickets at Barton. The club could also profit from a TV advertising deal with Carlsberg . . If Carlsberg did rugby league clubs

We would be that good and have enough spare cash we could sign Sam Tompkins on a 3-year contract to just to be a ball boy!

Furthermore season tickets would cost £29.95, replica shirts £9.95, Match Programme £0.49p, refreshments including a pie and 4 pints £3.95.

Let the good times roll! Whoa some times . . I get a good feeling . . yeah

That's fair, then. I realise there's only so much the club can do, but it is something that needs to be kept up with, especially if we want to get away from some of the previous cultures that can't have been doing us any good.



My problem is that there are two distinct groups on here now - those that, as you say, carp with no substance, answers or debating skills, but there's also those who just defend absolutely everything and shout down anyone who has any criticisms. That, to me, is equally as bad as the former. Surely it's better to have a rational, reasoned debate and ignore the balloons? Some of us do have some genuine concerns about some things at the club, but we're also not adverse to giving credit where it's due. The problem is that those concerns either get dismissed as being the opinions of the carpers, or it just gets lost in the bitching between the two factions.

My point being that a rational post making the point that things on Sunday went our way without singling out individuals would have made for a better discussion, which is what this forum is meant to be for. As it is, it became a petty, points-scoring exercise. And just to prove a point, there have been some rational posts in there that were dismissed as being from "anti-management for no reason" people.



That I agree with whole-heartedly.

Totally agree.

I think that`s fair comment GT & I am always one for a debate and I have a flexible mind if circumstances put in front of me alter. For the moment though I am right behind anybody who is keeping the good ship afloat and that where my loyalties will stay for the time being.

As a lifelong Salford supporter I have genuine concerns over the club and the way that some things have been run over the years and yes many things could have been done more professionally than they have been but one has to accept, that as many people have set out previously, we have to be thankful that the club is still operating, in Superleague and in my opinion holding it's own considering its income stream compared with the amounts that other clubs can afford or are willing to spend and take a chance on the consequences.

I can and do accept different opinions from any supporter, I see things differently than members of my family do but what I find hard to accept and what really sticks in my throat are the people who whilst in the Chairmans and or the Directors company are all smiles etc, yet return to the Turkey slagging them off.

At numerous meetings attended by the Chairman,Directors and other staff these same people sit there, say nothing to their faces, ask no questions and then post something that bears no relation to what took place at the meeting.

This week has been a great week for any Salford supporter but still some people aren't satisfied well I am and all the fans that I have spoken to are also happy and looking forward to Friday and another good performance, win or lose.

GT there are a few people on this forum who chose to offer 95% of the time only critical and negative contributions. The vast majority of the criticism has been repeatedly aimed at a small number of people at the club over a long period. My interpretation is that these people are feeding off each others frustrations and looking for every opportunity to identify a debatable failing and aim it at the usual long serving scapegoats.

When certain forum members respond to these posts because they have a view and want to debate the topic they are labeled as being in a ‘defend the club at all costs’ clique. I can recall many occasions, when a post has been challenged with question(s) to debate a subject, that they have chosen to ignore the question and play the ‘defend the club at all cost’ opt-out card.

What do these people expect in reply when they often make such slanderous and defamatory comments? Yeah fair enough you must be right because you know best and I’m not allowed to think for myself and have my own opinion.

If I read something I don’t agree with sometimes I like to challenge that with my views and debate it. I am certainly not under some false illusion the club is run perfectly and I’m sure there are many things that could be done much better. I’d love nothing more than to see some positive changes but I realise I’m not the person to influence that or nor should anyone on here think they can. (Unless they were willing to invest a large sum of money in the club) The long term future of this club will be decided by the man in the sky not the scarlet turkey forum.

What some people don't realise is that they aren’t in the right place to always make a correct judgment because they don’t have all the information. It’s a bit like trying to do a jigsaw puzzle and realising there are some missing pieces, you will never be able to see the full picture.

Great posts all round.

The irony is that there is no 'defend the Management at all costs' clique. They are people who are coherent of the fact that they don't know everything. Nobody can make any rational judgements on anything at the Club because they just don't see 90% of what goes on at a Club. Those members of this Forum who have a better understanding and knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes rarely contribute to the slagging matches, choosing to keep their opinions to themselves. Unfortunately, the so-called 'Clique' are just people who feel the need to counter-balance what they feel is poorly presented and opinionated posts. It all does get a little out of hand at times.

The other irony is that there are worthy talking points about management and events behind the scenes which should be debated but often aren't because valid points are lost to 'one-upmanship'.

theredshed makes a great point when saying that opinions should always be reserved to what you know, with speculation labelled as such, and personal likes and dislikes left out. After all, you can't say with any certainty unless you have all the facts that your opinion bares any resemblance to what actually goes on.

I'm not denying that and I actually agree with the rest of your post and the majority of what others have said. I just don't think that "feeding the trolls", so to speak, does any good. It's all well and good arguing a point that you disagree with, but when someone's purely setting out to disagree with you, won't change their mind and is clearly just looking for a reaction, what's the point? I've seen it on other forums as well - good debate gets stifled because neither 'group' is willing to ignore the other.

I think this from The Butcher is spot on

Maybe we should all start using that "foe"/ignore feature on here...

I've avoided using it so far, hoping in all faith, that reasoned debate might come from certain individuals.

A few posts on other threads recently has convinced me that DI is just a troll looking for reaction, so I've made him a foe. I'm not missing anything so why not...

I'd suggest instead of reacting, which is hard sometimes, others do the same.