Dead right mate, however much it hurts to admit it, I came to that exact conclusion yesterday

Sadly, that is exactly my feeling too. As OrdsallRed alludes to it is also dawning on our support increasingly. As has already been said, the 'regulars' are dwindling all the time and soon there will be nobody going at all. My own particular limit was the display at Cas where the team and their efforts were a complete laughing stock - The Cas supporters were actually laughing at how bad we were FFS!. I stood and watched the same cr@p against Quins and Wigan and will not go to any more away games until they get their act together and make me feel pride in the club I love. After 45 years of watching the team, Home and Away, I really have reached my limit this past few weeks. All of this "Cas were the same last year" and "McRae had success at Saints and Hull" just doesn't wash with me. Cas competed, even when they were losing and Saints and Hull were littered with good players. At present, Salford can't even put a team together such is the alarming discontent and disconnection so evident amongst the players. I don't know who is to blame but I am sick of wasting my hard earned few quid watching them go through the motions. I would rather watch a team of 18 years olds get hammered but show pride and spirit than watch this disgrace any more. I have held a ST for years and I can honestly say that it is the only thing that may get me to see us humiliated further against Warrington in a couple of weeks. I expect the usual 'Top Reds' to criticise my disloyalty but this Club is finished if drastic action is not taken very, very soon

I think its time for the club to show some balls and give us fans a bit of honesty if they want our continued support. If we have prima donnas in our team who dont want to play with other team members so be it dont play them drop them but dont tell us they are injured let us know what is going on. At least if we have some honesty and can see the club are trying to sort things out we may be a bit more willing to continue paying our money.

Didnt go yesterday and wont be going next week but only because I cant stand going to Hul however I did listen on the radio. The one thing that I kept hearing was the commentators questioning Wiltshires commitment and saying he didnt look like he wanted to play. Why then was he left on the pitch and if this is the case he should be shown the door and never put a red shirt on again.

As I said time for the club to show some balls stop playing the prima donnas and give some of the youngsters a chance. They cant do any worse and will at least show some pride on the field. We have nothing to lose no relegation and would surely gain more respect from the fans.

Also I am not one for normally joining the get rid of the coach brigade but I really tink its time for our coach to go.

Bring back Karl Harrison we were no worse under him.

Rant over.

The thing is RedHazel that we were better under Harrison weren't we? We had similar average players who he (and Lowes) melded into a team that wanted to play for each other and the defence was generally very good. They played as a team until ..... errrr they decided they didn't want to - and it was at that point that players should have been pushed and not the Coach IMHO.
What dismays me most of all is that they have, again, despite the usual protestations, decided that they are not playing as a team. For so-called, professional athletes it is scandalous.
Like you, I didn't go to Hull yesterday but listened to the same commentary and there are problems that everyone can see but the people who need to see it!
I will not be going to Hull this week either and it is because I refuse to waste any more of my hard earned cash to come hope p!$$ed off! Perhaps that is the only way those who need to respond might respond i.e. when they notice that nobody is watching anymore.....?

I think we need a complete overhall of the coaching structure. Its clear that the current coach, asst coach, fitness coach ect... is not doing the job and will not take the club forward. Our fitnes looks poor at times our style of rugby is slow, we lack ideas and direction on the field.

Mcrea does not have the balls to make the decision and drop some the so called big name players that are not performing week in week out. I include a majority of the squad in this as well.

Only Alker, Myler Swain Sidlow, Adamson and Big Phil , have shown any kind of commitment on the field and look as though they want to play for the club. The rest have,nt been worth a toss. I relise that you can not drop every single player but its about time some of the kids were given a chance they may not be world beaters but I sure they would show more heart and courage than whats on the feild at the moment.

For the Hull game next week I would bring bak Ratchford and play him in the correct position, Thornley maybe give young Palfery a game and Walton also Sibbit if fit.

As for who you can drop..Take your pick also the Forwards need to be looked at because its just not working at the moment.

I did go to HKR - and for 30 minutes thought things were changing. Even texted my son to say light at the end of the tunnel, unfortunately it was a train coming!

OK HKR were pretty poor in the first half, but we were capitalising on their mistakes and scoring! The only reason they got back to 12 12 in the first half were our unforced errors and giving away a couple of really stupid penalties. Is that the coaches fault?

As for John Wislhere - 1'st half he kicked both conversions, one from the touchline and at full back was getting well involved in the game - can't fault his committment there. But his knee had almost identical strapping to Paul White so was he brought back too soon? Coaches decision!

2'nd half, we go behind and the whole thing falls apart - Now in the light of recent games I can accept that their confidence is fragile, but the shambles that follows was embarrassing - professionals? Well they're getting paid do I suppose they must be!

What was said in each dressing room at half time? - HKR come out, cut out the errors and roll us over like a team of amateurs who've never been introduced to each other - now that has to be down to attitude, professionalism, coaching and sheer doggedness and determination - we seem to be sadly lacking all these qualities at the moment.

Now, can this be turned around? Whilst fully accepting the "new in superleague", "time to adjust to the pace" etc etc and certainly never expecting that we'd finnish much above the bottom places, I did kind of think that we might compete - but we just aren't.

Is that down to:
1) Quality/Ability of players
2) Committment to the cause
3) Coaching staff
4) Discontent in the ranks
5) Something else?

In any organisation there will be tensions and conflicts, occasional underperformance etc and it's up the management to sort it out. It's NOT rocket science, it needs a clear view of the aims of the organisation and a strategy in place which explains to all member just how WE are going to meet those aims - does that ethos exist at Salford? The more I watch (and yes like all of us I'm just an outside observer) the less I think it does.

Solution: It has to come from board level - a complete review of where we are going, where we are now and how do we get there. Hysteria and personal abuse should never come in to it, but there does need to be some serious soul searching within this club's management.

End of lecture!

I can,t understand why you are moaning.

You are in Nonrelegation league for the next 2 seasons and you deserve to be there because you won last years Grand Final.

I have watched my team for over 50 seasons and we are in a league were we could be relegated and also not playing to our potential.

Our gates are suffering because of performances but we still took about 450 to watch us scrape a win at Doncaster yesterday.

Best to get behind your team imo. Count your blessings.

McCrae talks a good game...

Listened to his rant about salary cap yesterday after the game, tough! maybe he had an excuse 2007, he didn't pick the squad , however for the last season and this pre season it's been his decision as to who he brought in , bought up from academy and who he released.

Injuries , don't hear Keir complain from wakefield .
You expect a head Coach to be able to get a TEAM performance no matter what level of ability and that's what good Coaches do.

Need to make quick decision , better off with Hunte & Naylor in a coaching capacity for the rest of the season and leave McCrae to his full time Job, talking a good game for SKY.

Fans of other clubs are now [url=http://viewtopic.php?t=402256giving it to him[/url.

Again as I posted the other day i've left it a while for the dust to settle and thought long and hard about what to put here.

The straw that broke the camels back for me was listening to Rock Radio this morning with the worlds worst news presenter Aussie Scott seemingly laughing at the fact that Salford got destroyed yesterday.

I now think the time has come for the club to look at itself and think is the current coaching staff capable of turning things around and instilling some pride and beleife in the shirt? and I personally think even the most blinkered within the club most agree that SM isnt going to do this. I listened to the game on the radio yesterday and was embarresed and was thankfull that I hadnt wasted good money traveling to hull (it is well known I dont go to many away games and to be honest I would rather let Nellie the Elephant and rest of the pacydurm precision tap danceing team loose on by gonads than go to Hull for what was only ever going to be a sound beating).
I have never seen a more rigid and structured approach to substituions than under SM, surely this is a fluid concept and each gamemust be judged on it's merrits as it progresses (I have read on another thread that big Phil and Cashmere wantmore game time well for gods sake give it to them as thingssimply couldnt get any worse than they currently are. I also wonder at the wisdom of dropping Ratchford from the squad altogether and think that potentially we run the risk of pishing him off and him heading of to a rival SL team who will appreciate his undoubted talents.

I fear for what will happen next week in the cup again over in Hull and seriously think we run the risk a terrible defeat of a very very high nature. We are short already of numbers and must now risk putting some kids in.
I have also just read that the club have no money for any signings and that there appears to be some interest in Wilshere from other clubs, well lets hope that the interested clubs have some fringe players we can swap as for me he hasnt looked interested for one second whilest on the pitch this year and we would be well advised to make use of this interest while it exists.

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We were a far better team under Karl. I was disappointed when we sacked Karl as I felt that the season before we had played the best rugby I had seen at the Willows for a long time. We had improved year on year and I felt he was a victim of his own success.

I have become extremely disillusioned with the progress of the team. Although our results were good last season most Salford fans admit that the team did not delevop at all in preparation for super league. St Helens fans are quick to support but just because he was a success at Saints means that he will turn things around here. Look throughout sport and a coach who has suceeded at one club can fail at another. He was a disaster at South Sydney down under.

the change we need is to get rid off simms,hes been there far too long and we only had one good season with him in the sl the rest was fighting to stay up.ok we won the national league a few times but no offence anyone can win that league.we need a fresh face and it may boost the spirits up then in the traning camp.alker shouldnt be captain but watching him this season and you can only see him consantly talking to the lads on the field trying to boost them up.il be there every week so support the reds cos im not letting defeats get me down.things cant get any worse at the club now so got to look up and look forward to the good things to come like a second win lol

Tis a sorry state of affairs at the moment

but I can`t immediately see a way out.

Team wise we can do little other than shuffle the same team & with the injuries have to bring a few kids, in, give Stef a run at S.O.

As for the coach I am coming around to what seems to be the majority view BUT if we have no money how can we afford to pay off SMs contract ? Plus if we could find £100/150000 (?) for this would it be better keeping him and using this to bolster the team ??

Could go on forever, but I like hoping that things will get better as we adapt to SL...................... still I kept saying the team will gel and play great last year and it never hapenned either.

Now where is that No for the Samaritans...............................

Like most on here I'm extremely dissapointed at the moment.

As for Sacking Mcrea though. Can the club really afford to sack him, how many of the previous coaches are we still paying off ? I've been a fan for 20 years, Kevin Tamati was in charge since then every manager has got sacked, and it's the same story, a new bloke comes in complains about inherting a squad, sacks a load of the players brings in new players, they dont perform so the manager gets sacked and we're back where we started.

Also why was Mcrea given a four & 1/2 year deal, he took us over as were were already doomed 1/2 a year. That gave him 4 years to build, so he banked on getting us back into superleague, which he did. so he's got 3 years left I think he knew when he signed we'd struggle back and to cover himself he wanted a long contract.

Based on this I've been prepared to stick by him and let him see the job out, for one thing the club need a bit of stability. But as the weeks go on i'm getting more and more frustrated.

Assuming we can't afford to sack him, & he leaves by mutual consent and because no one is available, what about letting Naylor and Hunte have a go at first team coaching, or as a last resort lets try and tempt Cullen away from Widnes.

Rant over.

Sweet mother of Jesus I would rather get Harvie or Jack back than let Cullen near Salford.

I think letting Naylor and Hunt try for the rest of the year seems like a fair notion and I personally think that Robbie Paul will go on to become a top notch coach so let him take over some of the academy duties that Hunt wont be able to do.

There should be no reward for failure, until the sporting world realise this, we will always be left in this position and that goes for players contracts too. There's too much namby pamby sp? theses days. Contracts should be set out on a win bonus structure only, not a guaranteed lump sum every month.

After hearing Mcraes comments he should do the honourable thing and walk.

Would you walk away Black Cat if you were him with 2.5 years left on a contract, knowing it would almost definately be your last coaching job?

Maybe a cheaper solution for the club would be to bring in a new assistant with some new ideas and enthusiasm? Perhaps someone that can motivate and get more from the players, I know it's not ideal but its worth a go surely?

I think Naylor is just as liable, hes the assistant to a loser.

No, I'd make the b[ia[/istards who are grinding me down suffer for the two and a half years





I'm still after getting Paul Groves the job, so maybe he could come in as understudy and install some Salford steel mentality into the dressing room

Yes I agree, it's obvious the existing coaching set up isn't having any positive effect at improving the team's performance.

I think it's time for some new blood in the coaching team, a person than can get the respect of players and instill some new confidence and belief.

Keep McRae on to do the media interviews and let the new guy get on with the day-to-day coaching!

As an outsider looking in I can see why there's so much anti McCrae feeling around. I know a lot of comparisons have been made between salford this year and Cas last year and us the year before but for me the comparison isn't valid.

Although both us and cas took a few beatings in our 1st years in SL we always went into games competetive and gave the fans bright moments. Salford on Sunday where by far the worst team I've seen at CP in our SL years. Atleast Celtic looked bright in spells and we played quite well against them. I thought we were awful on Sunday and still managed to get 48 points scored. I was quite worried at half time as it was the worst I've seen us play all year.

Hats off to those who travelled, I go to all the away games but have to admit if I had to watch performances llike that every week I doubt I still would.

The buck must stop with McCrae, its his squad now and he doesn;'t look to have improved much on a team that weren't that convincing in NL1. I hope for you lads you get rid of the useless aussie and at least get a young English coach in and give him a try.

The other parallel I've found between HKR and Salford is that Mc is on sky every week as was Morgan in the 1st year and this never goes down well when the teams not performing. Morgan stopped this last year and has only now started to appear again.

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I have already eluded to Naylor in other posts, he looks so disinterested & I for one could not see him motivating the team, his body language gives out the signal of "i'm not interested" He doesnt look as though he could inspire & instill some sense of acheivment into the players. During games, he sits in the dugout, arms/legs crossed as though he is having a siesta. There is no get up & go from him, standing at the "technical area" shouting encouragement etc.

As Theredshed says, think the time is right to do some changes & maybe its in that position, get some one who the squad will give & get some respect from & encourage them to have some belief in themselves & maybe we can kick on.
It needs doing sooner rather than later so we can build on it now, I know we have the licence period, but we dont want to be in the same position as Karl & Shaun were in sort of writing this season off & starting afresh next, because by then we may not have many home fans which would be a blow to our finance

Lets face it the sh[ii[/it is growing in every direction and McRae needs a big number two quickly to relieve the pressure and save his sore a[ir[/ise. There must be some movement soon or the bottom of the pile beckon's