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Fan owned clubs ?
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Every Bundesliga Premier Club ( 51% by law)Bayern Munich 81% fan owned.

I suppose it's all down to what we are left with to own ..a broken club with CVA from it's previous owner ? or a debt free club with a vibrant infrastructure.

Cellino was also talking about Leeds Utd ' being given back to it's fans '.

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Can't see a fan run Salford at all.

It works elsewhere because of the vast amount of money surrounding those Clubs, in successful vibrant leagues.

Can you see the problem here?

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Quote: theredshed " I actually think his decision will be heavily influenced by how the team performs in the middle 8's.'"


I think it will be down to how many fans bother to come out to watch the team that he's heavily invested in. I don't know the bloke and I don't pretend to, but he seems to be happy that the team are heading in the right direction. He does however, appear to be losing patience with the stay away fans who don't appear to appreciate all the time, money and effort that he's been putting in over the last few years. This is in no way a criticism of the fans on here as I imagine that you all attend regularly but I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting a tad frustrated. Oh and then there's the RFL...

I hope that he sticks around for you. We've got our own drama's over at the Bulls and I wouldn't wish the uncertainty on anybody.

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Salford Red Devils RLFC. [quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]:



Quote: Sensei-Bull "I think it will be down to how many fans bother to come out to watch the team that he's heavily invested in. I don't know the bloke and I don't pretend to, but he seems to be happy that the team are heading in the right direction. He does however, appear to be losing patience with the stay away fans who don't appear to appreciate all the time, money and effort that he's been putting in over the last few years. This is in no way a criticism of the fans on here as I imagine that you all attend regularly but I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting a tad frustrated. Oh and then there's the RFL...

I hope that he sticks around for you. We've got our own drama's over at the Bulls and I wouldn't wish the uncertainty on anybody.'"


Why would non-season ticket holders spend their hard earned on watching a team that has been continuously in the press for all the wrong reasons since 2014?

Even the biggest positive this club has had in the last ten years (a team that should have finished 6th in Super League) has been overshadowed by the deduction of 6 points for breaking the cap. As if that wasn't bad enough we've had to endure months of Koukash promising fans that we had in fact done nothing wrong, the RFL had a vendetta against us and we would get our points back on appeal. How embarrassing that was when an independent sports tribunal ruled in favour of the RFL.

Then there are the countless issues we've faced with players such as Gareth Hock, Cory Paterson, Rangi Chase, Harrison Hansen, Kevin Locke, Tony Puletua, Theo Fages etc which has seen the clubs name dragged through the mud.

I don't blame the "floating" fans for staying away. Do I expect to see them back for the middle 8's too? No. Why would people spend their money to see us play Championship teams?

I did a quick check on our average attendances prior to the announcement of the 6 point deduction and after it. Prior to the announcement we were averaging 4,451 (this even includes the crowd against Catalan which is usually our lowest of the season) and afterwards 2,937. If that isnt comprehensive proof that the Salford public are p*ssed off and done with the club in 2016 then I don't know what is.

We've finally got things right on the field and I would suggest Marwan spends the majority of the off-season re-engaging with the Salford public (and ensuring we don't break the cap again).

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I suspect the relationship with the stadium management company also has a large baring on his current state of mind. The deal presented at the time of his take-over and the subsequent `improvements' he has managed to thrash out are simply not enough.

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Sounds like a no win situation then.

Marwan wants more fans but fans won't turn up because of Marwan.

Something or someone's got to give?

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Salford Red Devils RLFC. [quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]:



Quote: Sensei-Bull "Sounds like a no win situation then.

Marwan wants more fans but fans won't turn up because of Marwan.

Something or someone's got to give?'"


I don't think it's quite that drastic, had we not been given a 6 point deduction half-way through the season I have absolute confidence that we would have increased (or at the worst maintained) the average crowd figure of 4,450.

Fans wont turn up because of the constant false dawns and let downs. So far under Marwan's ownership it's been a continuous case of one step forward, two steps back.

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Quote: scoot "Is he playing mind games with the RFL. Treat me differently or I walk away.
A fans run club won't work in Super League, who pays ?'"



He also could be playing games with the stadium company to get a reduced rent (If I am not here then Salford won't be here= no rent at all from Salford)

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Quote: Sensei-Bull "I think it will be down to how many fans bother to come out to watch the team that he's heavily invested in. I don't know the bloke and I don't pretend to, but he seems to be happy that the team are heading in the right direction. He does however, appear to be losing patience with the stay away fans who don't appear to appreciate all the time, money and effort that he's been putting in over the last few years. This is in no way a criticism of the fans on here as I imagine that you all attend regularly but I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting a tad frustrated. Oh and then there's the RFL...

I hope that he sticks around for you. We've got our own drama's over at the Bulls and I wouldn't wish the uncertainty on anybody.'"


someone pointed out our Home crowds prior to the points deduction were up around the 4K , and have dropped dramatically after .
the Politics ' off the field ' are affecting the fans volition to turn up. Its sucking the enthusiasm & enjoyment of watching the team & the sport .

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Quote: Sensei-Bull "I think it will be down to how many fans bother to come out to watch the team that he's heavily invested in. I don't know the bloke and I don't pretend to, but he seems to be happy that the team are heading in the right direction. He does however, appear to be losing patience with the stay away fans who don't appear to appreciate all the time, money and effort that he's been putting in over the last few years. This is in no way a criticism of the fans on here as I imagine that you all attend regularly but I wouldn't be surprised if he's getting a tad frustrated. Oh and then there's the RFL...

I hope that he sticks around for you. We've got our own drama's over at the Bulls and I wouldn't wish the uncertainty on anybody.'"


I disagree because I think he's wise enough to know the numbers will only come with stability, continual progress and the chance of some success. This points deduction has knocked the stuffing out of the regular fans (myself included) so it isn't going to help attracting new support. The RFL may want vengence against our owner but they are destroying 130+ years of RL history in Salford/Manchester in the process.
My view is if he walks now (the RFL have won) the clubs future will be bleak and it would be a real shame considering the progress the team have made on the field this year. My thoughts are if the sport can't survive in one of it's largest cities after a century plus, it's about time the RFL locked the doors and threw away the keys

I do understand our owner has outspoken public views (that I don't agree with) but I hope Nigel Wood is a big enough man (mentally, he obviously is physically) to rise above this for the greater good and sort it out. I think the RFL need to ask themselves the question how they would feel had they put as much money as Marwan Koukash has into the sport. Let's reflect the people at the RFL make a very good living out of the sport (that I'm sure they work hard for) and some people invest millions into it. Who's more disposable?

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What EXACTLY is his perceived gripe with the RFL? He gets "wined-up" and starts posting stupid threats on Twitter without actually mentioning anything with any substance. It's hard to sympathise with him when he just post idle threats all the time. Like you say his "Truth will out" posts prior to the independent tribunal findings made him look a right tool. The truth was out and it showed blatant salary cap breaches! I like the guy. He's enthusiastic but he reeks of a rich bloke throwing a hissy-fit because he can't get his own way all the time even after throwing money at it. Is this new "threat" also conveniently timed with news of the Bulls woes? He did have a gander round their place at one time! Ground's a dump but there's potential for the crowds to flock back if they can get the team sorted. Judging by Salfords record he can achieve the latter but not the former!

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I don't think fans are kept away because of Marwan, only his silly acts as owner that keep holding the club back.

I've been saying it for a while and I'll keep saying it, if only he'd just reel his ego in and be willing to learn from some people Salford could be a success. And I say this as an RL fans who desperately wants more successful clubs playing in front of big crowds, especially those clubs who have the potential for big crowds, and I think, ultimately, Salford are one of those clubs.
Please Marwan, just put your ego aside and run the club properly. Put your money and enthusiasm into growing the club rather than fighting the sport.

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The RFL must have all their fingers crossed, hoping the owners of Toronto don't find out the inadequacies of the RFL like Dr has.

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As a Bulls fan I would say that whatever his failings you should hang on to the Dr. It's a cold cruel world without a rich backer. I wish we could find one that would plough his money into the club.

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