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| Quote: Enfield Exile "Is the behaviour of those who chant about Munich less acceptable than the behaviour/attitude of the club towards the survivors and their families?'"
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| Quote: Walshovski "He is as guilty as they come! Just bad news for him he didn't have that Kopite judge and jury who let Gerrard off.'"
No you're wrong, it was definately the black men with dreads as shown in the remake  |
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| Quote: GT "Enfield Exile in attempt to deflect attention away from city fan's behaviour shocker...'"
Funny that because many would claim United fans' focus on other teams chanting about Munich deflects attention fromYou won't mind many United fans who aren't disgusted with the club and their treatment of those directly affected by the disaster in the years since. But that's got f*ck all to do with what was discussed.'"
Mate, it is relevant.
Quote: GT "What a MUPPET ![]()
Stay out of this. It's a debate for adults with intelligence.
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| Quote: Enfield Exile "
Stay out of this. It's a debate for adults with intelligence.'"
why don't you try and show some, then! |
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| Quote: Bigpev "Published by Manchester Enterprises, where one of its most senior directors who would have had a lot of input on the Football stuff is a City season ticket holder. Interesting they update the figures for City after 2004 but not United details 2001. Also only show a map of City Season tickets holders and not United so not comparing like with like, or it shows to me is that more people in manchester have a season ticket for United
than City
Manchester City 6,678
Manchester United 7,808 (2001) only figures to compare
Perhaps an update from last season may show even more season ticket holders for United, but that's called speculation.'"
how defensive do united fans get?!
the publication here is part of the framework for city regions published by CLG, this element led by CUPS at Manchetser Uni (who's head is a big red!) - the research programme had 1,000s of pages of detail of which this was a tiny (but interesting) element. only united fans and their 'the whole world hates us' mentality could jump to such conculsions about something so insignificant
really...
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| MMP but the report still says more reds than blues, and if you think that the name over the top of it do all the work think again, this report was put together from about 100 contributors and the Football bit was by Manchester Enterprises, thats how these thing are done because nobody is an expert in all walks of life, unless you are a city fan and they seem to be from all the comments so I take my flat cap off to you.
Perhaps if a similar thing was done today there might be different findings, personally the number of red season ticket holders in my household has tripled as memberships became tickets after this report so if that was repeated across manchester more like 24,000 reds now, but if you still believe there are more blues despite what the facts state you just carry on. |
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| Quote: Enfield Exile "Funny that because many would claim United fans' focus on other teams chanting about Munich deflects attention from
You go off on such a tangent just to divert attention
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| Quote: Bigpev "MMP but the report still says more reds than blues, and if you think that the name over the top of it do all the work think again, this report was put together from about 100 contributors and the Football bit was by Manchester Enterprises, thats how these thing are done because nobody is an expert in all walks of life, unless you are a city fan and they seem to be from all the comments so I take my flat cap off to you.
Perhaps if a similar thing was done today there might be different findings, personally the number of red season ticket holders in my household has tripled as memberships became tickets after this report so if that was repeated across manchester more like 24,000 reds now, but if you still believe there are more blues despite what the facts state you just carry on. ![]()
just for clarity, much of that section of the report does come from the CRDP research (i was a consultant on the Liverpool/Merseyside CRDP), managed by Manchester Enterprises (now "The Commission for the New Economy"icon_wink.gif although its interpetation in this report is by a pretty well respected group at Manchester Uni - they are independantly interpreting the ME work in this piece. The football stuff however does not come from ME or any ME research programme - its from a research team at MMU and included here by the Manchester Uni researchers as part of their interpretive piece.
the report shows that around 1/4 to 2/5 of both MCFC and MUFC fans come from the M postcode and around 3/4 to 4/5 of fans of both clubs come from witrhin the region....
intuitively, that tells me that both clubs fan bases are pretty much concentrated in the manchester area, in the region in general, but that both have a pretty similar fan base outside the NW...
that's all it says to me. what i found humourous (and what often makes me giggle) is how defensive united fans can get! the work shows how similar the clubs are in terms of the shares of fans from outside the North West
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| Quote: mmp "
the work shows how similar the clubs are in terms of the shares of fans from outside the North West'"
It doesn't, it looks at one section of supporters, season ticket holders, it does not look into membership numbers, also the regional map only applies to City, why not similar for United to make it fair? |
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| Quote: Bigpev "It doesn't, it looks at one section of supporters, season ticket holders, it does not look into membership numbers, also the regional map only applies to City, why not similar for United to make it fair?'"
????????????????????? the point of this element of the the work is that greater manchester has a city-regional identity
the table has the numbers in...78% of season ticket holders of MCFC live in NW, 72% of MUFC. hardly a huge difference? so the report makes that point - the distributions are pretty similar. this is followed by a map of city season tickets showing the national coverage of city season tickets to exemplify the point made...
of course, its all a big anti-MUFC conspiracy that a huge research programme of central government makes a tiny (but relevant) point like this, and doesn't choose to stick a map of MUFC season tickets in? it isn't "fair" even! distaster! world ends! its discrimination i tell thee...where's the EHRC when you need them?!
i write these kind of reports - you exemplify your points in as simple a way as possible. that's all they've done here...i just thought it kinda interesting! |
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Who gives a toss who has more fans in Manchester ???
The argument is one generated by the blue half because they haven't had anything football related to generate any kind of competition to United. They use the 'only club in Manchester' and 'More fans from Manchester' arguments constantly... and it gets a bit boring... but if that's what floats their boat... then go for it.
Until City can pull 75,000+ every home game... win 18 titles... 3 European Cups etc etc... then it's the only thing they have... so let 'em keep going on about it... it's funny. Let them have their delusions of grandeur... again... it's funny.
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| Quote: LoyalFan "
The argument is one generated by the blue half because they haven't had anything football related to generate any kind of competition to United. They use the 'only club in Manchester' and 'More fans from Manchester' arguments constantly... and it gets a bit boring... but if that's what floats their boat... then go for it.
Until City can pull 75,000+ every home game... win 18 titles... 3 European Cups etc etc... then it's the only thing they have... so let 'em keep going on about it... it's funny. Let them have their delusions of grandeur... again... it's funny.'"
Funny you should say that because United fans used to bleat on about the size of their crowds (and glory hunters etc..) to Liverpool fans because the scousers had won more trophies - still won almost twice as many EC/CL as United, if memory serves. Difficult to understand why it took United fans 20 years later to find that kind of thing funny. |
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| Quote: Enfield Exile "Funny you should say that because United fans used to bleat on about the size of their crowds (and glory hunters etc..) to Liverpool fans because the scousers had won more trophies - still won almost twice as many EC/CL as United, if memory serves. Difficult to understand why it took United fans 20 years later to find that kind of thing funny.'"
Again, what a MUPPET |
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| Quote: Enfield Exile "Funny you should say that because United fans used to bleat on about the size of their crowds (and glory hunters etc..) to Liverpool fans because the scousers had won more trophies - still won almost twice as many EC/CL as United, if memory serves. Difficult to understand why it took United fans 20 years later to find that kind of thing funny.'"
I never have mentioned crowds to our scouse friends as it is irrelevant.
Look at trophies won overall if you want to compare the two clubs.
What the feck has that got to do with which club has the most fans in Manchester anyway ?
BTW Enfield how many miles is that from Manchester |
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| Quote: Prestwich Red "
BTW Enfield how many miles is that from Manchester'"
Where I now live has nothing to do with who I support.
BTW is Prestwich in Manchester? Prestwich is the home of the most famous plastic Manc in history - Gary Chuckle |
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