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| Quote: Dave K. "Some fair points, but I still think playing a 17/18 year old is better than playing Watson and Godwin. What is the point in playing Watson?'"
He gives us a little experience at half back as Theo Fages is still only 20 and doesn't have the experience in guiding the team around the pitch. The only other options are playing people out of position and in a season in which teams can't really afford to lose many games, we need all the chances of winning as we can get. Playing Watson in order to direct the team around the field gives us slightly more of a chance. Plus we only have maximum 17 available players, so if someone were to pull up in training or the warm-up, we won't have enough players full stop.
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| Quote: Ave It! "Quote: Ave It! "The teams mentioned would use under 19's players rather than sign players like Godwin or bringing players out of retirement, surley you must have some young players who could be called up? Would be much better for their development and the clubs long term to play these rather than plat Watson?'"
No, our 19’s at the moment are struggling. We have no where near the quality of academy players that Wigan, Saints, Leeds etc. For us to throw a young 16/17 year halfback straight into a super league match when we don’t even have one training fulltime (I don’t think) would be criminal. Not only for the team, but for their confidence as well, especially if he makes a few mistakes early doors and our fans start getting edgy. First of all they have to earn a place in the first team by playing well at u19’s level and if the coaches don’t feel that the players we currently have in that position are good enough then we have to respect that decision, at the end of the day they watch them every day in training and are trained to develop the young lads properly.
Our academy at the moment is a work in progress, we have a number of good products playing in the first team already
This is absolutely BOB ON! The young lads aren't ready for this and it will only damage them. I'd rather bring other young lads in or people like Godwin and protect these lads. We are on for a hiding the next few matches and its not the right time to progress anyone.
My opinion is that you bring academy lads in 1 at a time, into a competitive team, not one that is going to get stuffed. Cas will rip us to pieces and will only lead to questioning some of the academy lads questioning their furture.
People like Theo, Niall and A Walne were brought into the team a few year when we were able to intergrate them into the team. Yes we got battered , but they were more prepared than chucking in part tiem academy lads. Leave them be.
Weve got a really tought month ahead and I don't expect any points, I feel like were in a really battle now for bottom four and we have to keep belief.
At the end of the day the injuries are unfortunate, but the bans and penalty counts need addressing FAST. We can't blame anyone else at the end of the day, the table will tell the truth.
Keep the faith!!
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| God help whoever were playing when Rangi comes back! hes our talisman and we will have bodies back, expect magic!!
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| Quote: Ave It! "No, our 19’s at the moment are struggling. We have no where near the quality of academy players that Wigan, Saints, Leeds etc. For us to throw a young 16/17 year halfback straight into a super league match when we don’t even have one training fulltime (I don’t think) would be criminal. Not only for the team, but for their confidence as well, especially if he makes a few mistakes early doors and our fans start getting edgy. First of all they have to earn a place in the first team by playing well at u19’s level and if the coaches don’t feel that the players we currently have in that position are good enough then we have to respect that decision, at the end of the day they watch them every day in training and are trained to develop the young lads properly.
Our academy at the moment is a work in progress, we have a number of good products playing in the first team already
I've resisted replying to this thread until now, because the shortsightedness of our fans astounds me. We dont have any 19's capable ??
Yet in pre-season this forum was ablaize with praise for the 19's who played in the friendlies, i would rather give them experience than help wigan out and blood their youngsters, a poor result would be worth the experience they gained. How must the young centre feel who played pre-season, same age as gildart !!
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| Quote: Redidiot "I've resisted replying to this thread until now, because the shortsightedness of our fans astounds me. We dont have any 19's capable ??
Yet in pre-season this forum was ablaize with praise for the 19's who played in the friendlies, i would rather give them experience than help wigan out and blood their youngsters, a poor result would be worth the experience they gained. How must the young centre feel who played pre-season, same age as gildart !!'"
In some kind of RL utopia this would be acceptable. But we don't live in that world.
Our U19's are simply not ready. Throwing a young lad into the deep end is more likely to end their career than give it a leg-up. We've done it in the past and seen young lads take massive steps backwards after their confidence is shot to pieces. To even suggest that it would be a good idea is simply ridiculous and shows you have little understanding of how coaching, man-management, and the game in general works off the pitch.
The only shortsightedness here is from yourself.
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| Quote: Redidiot "I've resisted replying to this thread until now, because the shortsightedness of our fans astounds me. We dont have any 19's capable ??
Yet in pre-season this forum was ablaize with praise for the 19's who played in the friendlies, i would rather give them experience than help wigan out and blood their youngsters, a poor result would be worth the experience they gained. How must the young centre feel who played pre-season, same age as gildart !!'"
I’m talking about halfbacks, you know the two players that take you around a field. Do we have young halfback that’s been playing well enough in the U19’s and is capable of playing super league? The answer is no, we don’t. I don’t recall a young halfback (apart from Theo) playing in any of the friendlies?
The young lads that came in did well, but were out of their depth against Dewsbury. With the current injury crisis now isn’t the time to bring in the youngsters, they need to be introduced gradually when the team is playing well to protect them. The U’19s have won one game against a poor London team so far this season, not knocking them, but the fact is they are not ready for the step up, a lot of the lads playing are only 16 FFS.
As far as I can tell we have loaned Gildart because our current centres are out on loan and can’t be recalled. This is the problem with the current set up as soon as they get over 19 they have no where to go so the club need to loan them out to keep them match fit. No body expected the current injury/suspension list so the coaching staff cannot be blamed for loaning players who normally wouldn’t get a game out.
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| Perhaps `Nankivell` could give us his view of the position.
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| Quote: Ave It! "I’m talking about halfbacks, you know the two players that take you around a field. Do we have young halfback that’s been playing well enough in the U19’s and is capable of playing super league? The answer is no, we don’t. I don’t recall a young halfback (apart from Theo) playing in any of the friendlies?
The young lads that came in did well, but were out of their depth against Dewsbury. With the current injury crisis now isn’t the time to bring in the youngsters, they need to be introduced gradually when the team is playing well to protect them. The U’19s have won one game against a poor London team so far this season, not knocking them, but the fact is they are not ready for the step up, a lot of the lads playing are only 16 FFS.
As far as I can tell we have loaned Gildart because our current centres are out on loan and can’t be recalled. This is the problem with the current set up as soon as they get over 19 they have no where to go so the club need to loan them out to keep them match fit. No body expected the current injury/suspension list so the coaching staff cannot be blamed for loaning players who normally wouldn’t get a game out.'"
Perhaps it is time to bring back the reserve 'A' teams. Run properly, squad players, players returning from injury, suspension, blooding u19s and promising lads older than 19, plus tralists. Keeps them all available to the mother club
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| Quote: TheButcher "In some kind of RL utopia this would be acceptable. But we don't live in that world.
Our U19's are simply not ready. Throwing a young lad into the deep end is more likely to end their career than give it a leg-up. We've done it in the past and seen young lads take massive steps backwards after their confidence is shot to pieces. To even suggest that it would be a good idea is simply ridiculous and shows you have little understanding of how coaching, man-management, and the game in general works off the pitch.
The only shortsightedness here is from yourself.'"
I wonder if Alex Murphy thought the same about Shaun Edwards !!
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| Quote: scoot "Perhaps it is time to bring back the reserve 'A' teams. Run properly, squad players, players returning from injury, suspension, blooding u19s and promising lads older than 19, plus tralists. Keeps them all available to the mother club'"
Of course A Team rugby is the answer, it should never have been dissolved anyway. But to operate it correctly the RL funding would need to be spread on a fairer basis and SL teams won't agree to funding cuts.
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| Quote: Marshy1 "I wonder if Alex Murphy thought the same about Shaun Edwards !!'"
Totally different kettle of fish. They were special players that don't come around everyday, we just don't have the quality in our junior ranks at this current time if we did I'm sure we'd be playing them.
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| Quote: Ave It! "Totally different kettle of fish. They were special players that don't come around everyday, we just don't have the quality in our junior ranks at this current time if we did I'm sure we'd be playing them.'"
Are these players worst than Ian Watson who is 38, retired and lets be honest a very average player in his prime?
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| Quote: Dave K. "Are these players worst than Ian Watson who is 38, retired and lets be honest a very average player in his prime?'"
Obviously they are at this moment in time otherwise they would have been offered a full time contract and selected to play. They haven't been so they obviously aren't quite ready. That's not to say in 6 months, 12 months, 18 months or 24 months they won't be, but as it currently stands they aren't quite there.
Plus Ian Watson is old enough and experienced enough not to let the crowd/occasion get on top of him as much as a young 16 year old playing in front of fans who expect their team to win and expect them to perform would. It would IMO be catastrophic to throw a kid into a super league game with minimal experience of playing against 19/20 year olds never mind international rugby league football players.
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| Quote: Ave It! "Obviously they are at this moment in time otherwise they would have been offered a full time contract and selected to play. They haven't been so they obviously aren't quite ready. That's not to say in 6 months, 12 months, 18 months or 24 months they won't be, but as it currently stands they aren't quite there.
Plus Ian Watson is old enough and experienced enough not to let the crowd/occasion get on top of him as much as a young 16 year old playing in front of fans who expect their team to win and expect them to perform would. It would IMO be catastrophic to throw a kid into a super league game with minimal experience of playing against 19/20 year olds never mind international rugby league football players.'"
Sorry, let me make myself absolutely clear that I'm all for throwing kids in, but only at the right time. Throwing a youngster into a squad with 15 first team players unavailable isn't the right time.
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| I've heard BJB could be fit to play! If so that would be a god send and i'd expect to line up like so
Evalds
Johnson
MCB
Gildart
BJB
Locke
Fages
Moz
Godwin
Taylor
Hansen
G.Griffin
Forster
Greenwood
Tasi
Hood
Gee
Great strength in depth if you ask me!
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