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The ref had no impact on the result of this game. Wigan out played Salford in every department.

Salford's completion rate of 55% says much about the game.

We need to do something about Jon Wilshere's confidence, otherwise we need a fullback.

Myler had a quiet game and spent too much time defending. Ratchford was my MOM, the score would have been so much worse without some of his last ditch tackling. Some of the kicks were poor, but that is the same for eveyone who kicked. Alker had one of his worst games, kicking out on the full.

Really disappointed as we have impreved greatly in recent weeks, feel this is a huge backward step.

The forwards did little, Cashmere is disappointing for a big guy, whether it is the passes he is receiving or what but he needs to be in his stride when he hits the defenders.

Last night we had no runners, no options. Wigan had plenty of dummy runners causing problems, they came on the angle, we reverted to 5 drives.

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At which point in the game did the ref miss a tackle, kick poorly, knock on!!????
Halibut was poor for both teams to be fair.

The main things have already been mentioned here we lacked defensive composure. one on one tackles were missed by the large majority of the team. Some more important than others.
Our Forwrads were lacklustre and missing that spark of aggression.
Our halfs had a poor kicking game and no platform to build any kind of attack from.
Our backs ran 5 steps then hit brick walls.
We never utilised the wings correctly.
To many big game players never turned up. They probably ted themselves when they saw the biggest away following the reds have ever taken anywhere for years.
Wigan whilst not being that great were better. Paleiwhatisname cut through us like a hot knife through butter and Hock was his usual self and scoring tries. And yet again we wound up Coley that poorly he had another great game against us icon_rolleyes.gif

Hopefully with only the usual 3-400 following the players may have learnt from their mistakes the other night and give us something more to cheer about.

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The effort was there, we tried but we came out of the arm wrestle to early and paniced, we dropped to much ball, conceeded too many penalies and field position allowing wigan chances which they convered.

Wigan were not a million miles away from us just our bottle went 1st, why i dont know im sure the players will learn from this and it will improve them.
Clapped them off at the end to celebrate our cup run not yesterdays performance as i feel we beat ourselves.

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Myler on Pat Richards wing lost us the game, simple as. Whoever made the decision to put our smallest player outwide against their biggest wants a slap.

Alker/Paul had no impact on the game and never got the forwards going. To many times our forwards ran onto the ball standing still.

Not good enough.

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Quote: Red Willow "We need to do something about Jon Wilshere's confidence, otherwise we need a fullback.'"


I think that's a tad harsh - I thought he was excellent last week against Bradford.

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Quote: Iain "I think that's a tad harsh - I thought he was excellent last week against Bradford.'"


And at huddersfield - simple fact - JJB, Wigan in the Cup, they were just too good for us!!

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This should be the last year at Salford for Alker for me, he is clearly struggling. The sooner Myler is ready to take over the captaincy the better.


Theres a fantastic hooker in the under 16's (Adam Files) I'm not sure he'll be ready for superleague next season, but he'll defo make it in 2-3 years.

That frog referee, however will never be good enough for superleague.

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Quote: proud to be red "That frog referee, however will never be good enough for superleague.'"


Couldn't agree more. Too many bad decisions (for both sides). He was terrible.

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Quote: proud to be red "This should be the last year at Salford for Alker for me, he is clearly struggling. The sooner Myler is ready to take over the captaincy the better.


Theres a fantastic hooker in the under 16's (Adam Files) I'm not sure he'll be ready for superleague next season, but he'll defo make it in 2-3 years.

That frog referee, however will never be good enough for superleague.'"
are u serious myler for captain u havent been watching the game for very long have if he gets anymore hype is head will blow off.scrum halves dont make good captains he has other things 2 worry about

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Quote: Red Willow "We need to do something about Jon Wilshere's confidence, otherwise we need a fullback.
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Its his inability to put his body on the line at times whats the problem, so many times of a bomb or a dink of a kick when the oppositions chase has been good he'll pull out of the collision or go in half hearted causing a knock on, teams know this thats why they do this and the fact he catches the ball from these towering bomb away from his body probably increases the chances of a knock on ten fold.

Part of the fullbacks role is to be the last line of defence, the likes of Gary Broadbent or a fit Fitzpatrick never ever pulled out of collision they got the ball and took what ever came with it be it a foot, head, knee. Thats what he get paid for, they took the hits and probably spent the next day in bed unable to move but they won the collision and we got the ball back so we could move forward on the next play.

For the record i wouldnt put Fitzy back in, he's lost 2 yards he isnt quick enough for superleague level now imo, he's brave like a lion at times but no point being brave in a collision if your not quick enough to get there.
Wilshire is a good kicker and going forward he has enough of a brain to worry a defence, in an ideal world id put him on the wing as a thinking winger but the position were in he'll have to stay where he is for the time being and our defencsive line will need to slow the chance down.

I dont think they'll be taking the captancy of alker any time soon, remember what happened last time that happened...........

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Quote: Red-4-life "Totally agree about the Ref being there 14th man. Yet the Wigan fans think he was giving us everything
you should get the video of the game the ref was not great for both sides both were never taken back the 10 missed loads of high shots in the first half.
Second Half he was better at getting both back the 10 but still did not have a great game. But since the ref's have gone full time i think the standards have slipped.

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Quote: Andy Greg "you should get the video of the game the ref was not great for both sides both were never taken back the 10 missed loads of high shots in the first half.
Second Half he was better at getting both back the 10 but still did not have a great game. But since the ref's have gone full time i think the standards have slipped.'"


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Quote: gally1974 "are u serious myler for captain u havent been watching the game for very long have if he gets anymore hype is head will blow off.scrum halves dont make good captains he has other things 2 worry about'"


I've been going to the Willows since 1975 actually, and it's not me thats saying Myler should be captain, I was quoting Diavolo Rosso in an earlier post!!!!

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Quote: Andy Greg "you should get the video of the game the ref was not great for both sides both were never taken back the 10 missed loads of high shots in the first half.
Second Half he was better at getting both back the 10 but still did not have a great game. But since the ref's have gone full time i think the standards have slipped.'"

Agree with you there

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last season for wilshere at the willows in my opinion contract ends with the season and due to the credit crunch expect cuts to be made

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