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Quote: Walshovski "His post not abit [icontrite[/i for you?'"


Contrite? How? Explain.

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Quote: Shark J "I know MikeGC - I post on the Sale forum as J Moon, Mike - Hello!

It really is sad what impact a load of bile from Stockport fans has had on people. I feared this day, Salford fans latching on to whatever rubbish they'd heard in the office. I'm not going into politics. I'm not a massive fan of Brian Kennedy if I'm honest. I don't agree with the way some of the Stockport dealings were handled, but they were in a position to fend for themselves in the end which is what they wanted and they f*cked it up. '"


However you try and spin it your behaviour towards Stockport County was nothing short of scandalous.

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I think you all need to realise the position most Sale fans are in. We're Rugby traditionalists too. We don't see the vision the club has a lot of the time. Most of us like being little old Sale. We don't want a name change, we don't want to be seen as trying to poach players from Salford's youth system like some people seem to have interpreted Steve Diamond's comments. We only have one chant and that's "SAY-ULL", none of us really like the Sharks branding idea, none of us are egotistical toffs who couldn't give a cr@p about Salford and hope you go bust or anything. A good fraction of our fans have already been to watch a Salford game. Some are talking about the idea of a joint season ticket and saying they'd watch both.'"


Diamond's comments were interpreted that way because that is what he said.

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It's a modern facility that surely Salford cannot expect to function on their own. I'm sure most of you have the brains to realise from day one you weren't gonna keep it as your own forever. It's still called The Salford City Stadium, it's still your stadium too. Sure, live a pipe dream, convince yourselves Swinton or Uniteds Reserves would have been better. But it wouldn't. 2 Rugby teams playing 12 months of the year on it will bring in great income.'"


Great income for who? Certainly not for Salford. You sound as if you want thanks for bailing us out of our own stadium. Sounds like the same 'help' you provided to Stockport.

Quote: Shark J "Personally I hope it works but after going through 37 pages I'm a bit disappointed at the reception we're getting. I really don't know what you think we are. Have a problem with Kennedy and how he's dealt with things in the past - sure, that's up to you. Even have a problem with Cheshire Sports, should you know the ins and outs of things. But Sale and its fans have never done anybody any harm. .Come along sometime, you might even get to see a try. '"


Inevitably you will be held responsible for the behaviour of your club management (and vice versa) as is always the case in sport. I've also seem some anti-Salford comments on a Sale forum so it can work both ways.

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Quote: Wayward Fan "Contrite? How? Explain.'"


It was a dig at Michigan Red not you. He uses words he doesn't know the meaning of.

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Quote: GT "That quote has come directly from someone at the top of the club. Unfortunately I'm unable to say more publicly and I realise that this means it will be taken with a pinch of salt, particularly considering the way other "truths" appear on this forum and, indeed, across the internet.'"


The reliability or otherwise of the grapevine isn't really the issue. Isn't the fact that the club aren't happy with the stadium managment a good thing?

Quote: GT "But why can we not guarantee an increase of around 5%? The reduction in price would attract more supporters straight off the bat, I know this as I know many personally who aren't in a position to commit to a season ticket or membership for one reason or another but then won't pay £20 per match. Make it more attractive for people to come in, cheaper admission, family offers (which we've started pushing for tomorrow) and so on then, providing the experience inside the ground is good, they will come back. Admittedly the last part has a lot to do with the team's performances but as we've already established that is already going the right way.'"


It's not just 5%. It's 5% for every one pound taken off the admission price. You suggested (I think) £15, which would require an increase in attendance of around 1400 adults paying full price in order for the club to not lose money. Personally, I doubt we could get that at the moment. That said, I do think prices are too high, and maybe £18 would be better, but, as I said, the club have to be careful.

Quote: GT "The club should be working closely alongside the SMC and Ticketline to make sure the system does what we want it to do, not just what we're told it's going to do. If members could buy advanced tickets then it would be of greater benefit to all interested parties. I'm not sure the SMC nor Ticketline are really willing to listen, though, which is a bit of a problem.'"


It does appear the SMC and Ticketline are making a balls of things. When looking for organisations that are badly run, there's two right there. But if they're not willing to listen, how does that make [iSalford[/i badly run?

Quote: GT "A functioning website does not cost that much money. If a semi-professional, non-league football club playing the seventh tier of English football on a shoestring budget can manage it then I'm pretty certain Salford could pull something out of the fire on this one.'"


True, but if the club have got limited resources, you have to look where those resources are best spent. They seem to have improved on-line communication with Facebook, etc., but it looks like the web shop has suffered. But then how important is the web shop? How much merchandise does the club sell in general?

Quote: GT "Again, I do agree on that, but it's very bad practice to have to shut the shop, particularly at a time of day which could be the only time most people are able to get there. I'm sure there must be someone, somewhere who would be able to go down and help out, even if it's not the same person each day.

The example that I posted on the thread, rather than just "season ticket sales" which you've selectively quoted? I'd imagine that was a club decision to close the East Stand, possibly in conjunction with the SMC. It will also have been the club who made the decision to sell season tickets in three stands.'"


There are two comments you make here which sum up why I asked the question about what actual evidence there is that the club are badly runsure[/i there must be someone.....; you'd [iimagine[/i the club chose to close the East Stand..... These are both conjecture, not hard evidence. And it's not difficult to come up with a different view of things. Having worked for an organisation that ended up operating on a shoestring budget (and it really was a badly run organisation) I'm less sure that people could be made available to cover for others on breaks.

With regards the East Stand, we know that the SMC are keen to close stands to cut down on stewarding costs. Could this not have been the case here? Could they not have sprung this on the club at the last minute? Could this be one of the reasons why the club aren't happy?

Quote: GT "We'll differ on this again, then. I do agree that we're run on a shoestring, but I also feel that a lot of basic practice is being carried out poorly. We need to improve dramatically which can only help redress the financial hamstrings in the future.'"


No doubt some things could be done better, but I still don't see evidence that Salford are badly run rather than operating on a very limited budget. There are some understandable quibbles, particularly about ticketing, but, for me, it's not always clear that it's the club's fault. And it doesn't shout 'badly run club' to me. Being forced to sell the lease on your stadium without checking what effect it would have on credit streams from the bank, leading to you having to put out a begging bowl to help get you through the rest of the season is a sign of a badly run club. I'm just not seeing that at Salford (yet!).

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Quote: Red Preacher "My passionate hatred of the English RFU and its culture is steadfast. I enthusiastically applaud any assault on it. However, I in no way support any abuse the Sale fans have copped on here. I fully appreciate why they love their sport. Hopefully they can see why so many RL fans have such distain for RU as an organisation.'"


thanks for that RP.
I think you'll find most English people who support their national team are pretty disgusted with the RFU too. Far too many self serving and self absorbed old farts, with a narrow and old fashioned, world view. As long as they get the best wine, the best seat and the best hotel on a foreign jaunt, they think all in RFU-world is rosy. The Irish, Scots and Welsh also have a deep dislike of the RFU - they've been shafted too.

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Quote: MikeGC "thanks for that RP.
I think you'll find most English people who support their national team are pretty disgusted with the RFU too. Far too many self serving and self absorbed old farts, with a narrow and old fashioned, world view. As long as they get the best wine, the best seat and the best hotel on a foreign jaunt, they think all in RFU-world is rosy. The Irish, Scots and Welsh also have a deep dislike of the RFU - they've been shafted too.'"


Hopefully a few members on here can see what the fans of both clubs have in common and moderate their comments accordingly.

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Couple of sale fans in here today.

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12-15 people trying to get into a locked club shop after the game. I await feeble excuses about 'shoestring budgets' etc. How some people can say Salford are not badly run is truly baffling.

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Quote: Wayward Fan "Contrite? How? Explain.'"


He's a tool.
Ignore him as I try to do.

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Quote: redmatt77 "Couple of sale fans in here today.'"


Excellent. Long may it continue. Just hope all of our fans are smart enough to give them a warm welcome.

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Quote: Wayward Fan "Excellent. Long may it continue. Just hope all of our fans are smart enough to give them a warm welcome.'"

There were two in the drinks queue one had a Sale Top, hat and scarf on and was spouting off how they would get bigger crowds and how Union was a much better product.
I did not give him a warm welcome

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Quote: Prestwich Red "There were two in the drinks queue one had a Sale Top, hat and scarf on and was spouting off how they would get bigger crowds and how Union was a much better product.
I did not give him a warm welcome'"


Different matter if he was being a bellend. Fair game in that case!

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Quote: Michigan red "Contrite? How? Explain.'"


He's a tool.
Ignore him as I try to do.'"


Your the biggest tool here MR. x

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The phrase 'keyboard warrior' comes to mind MR, all I've seen you do is slag other people off and even accuse a good bloke of hooliganism, yet ironically you're the one stirring trouble. I couldn't be bothered getting involved but it's beyond belief tbh.

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Still been trying to find answers in what Kennedy actually did that was so bad to Stockport county because I've still not had an answer with any concrete evidence but I have come across this! forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.p ... pic=215379
Still been trying to find answers in what Kennedy actually did that was so bad to Stockport county because I've still not had an answer with any concrete evidence but I have come across this! forum.rangersmedia.co.uk/index.p ... pic=215379


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