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It would be entirely reasonable that anybody taking in a lodger should be paid for so doing. The terms of payment have nothing to do with anybody else but the parties involved. But that does not make the person providing the lodgings an employee any more than it makes the kit supplier an employee.

Irrespective of that, what gives anybody on this forum the right to question the integrity of the FR chair?

The fans, I'm afraid, are between a rock and a hard place. It would seem that any funds provided to the existing set up may just be sending good money after bad, particularly if it is used to pay money to an ex player who, under any normal contract conditions, would be in breach of contract!

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Quote: Prestwich Red "I would like to donate to the SOS fund but there is one huge thing holding me back.
If the funds raised are to be used for the formation of a new club then great I am all for it.
If it is just to pay for the wages of an Aussie and Kiwi waste of time who were employed on obvious ridiculous terms by our inept chairman then no.
I will support Salford in whatever league they are in, but helping out someone who has ruined our great club then that is pushing it too far.
I do not have an agenda or any petty vendettas and appreciate all the hard work FR are putting in.
My name is Peter O' Keefe BTW and I live in Prestwich if anyone does want to discuss things face to face.'"


This pretty much sums up my own thoughts regarding making a donation at this time, buying into a newco would be a different kettle of fish though.

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The issue on Patten and Anderson is that they are legally owed that money and if it isn't paid then that could well be the end of SCR. So regardless of what anyone thinks if their ability and effort in a Reds shirt there is little option but to pay them.

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Barton - I`m not sure here re Patten. His contract was for 3 years and he has walked out after just 2. So there may well be an angle for an adjournment.

As for Anderson surely we could be looking to do a deal maybe - another 12 month contract on a play as you play basis with the previous contract being rolled in.

Just feel that jaw jaw is better than war war.

I just dont know the arrangement with HMRC or whether they are definitely on the Petition.

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Quote: Red Preacher "The 'virtual self' enables those that in the "real" world typically lack a voice worth listening to or any kind of social standing, to be someone they just aren't. Angry people who are liberated from the constraints of daily life by the anonymous medium of cyberspace. Disinhibited by the social rules of face-to-face interaction, they can express offensive and hateful remarks at strangers... In complete agreement with Bill, a discussion cannot be held with views that aren't supported by the disclosure of one's identity.'"


Quote: Red Preacher "Irrespective of that, what gives anybody on this forum the right to question the integrity of the FR chair?'"


Well you can extend that to people who, totally out of character, shout and scream at players and referees at matches. And I think most of us have done that at some point to be fair. What I would add is the web isn't the wild west environment of old. Today, when you make named, personal insults on here, it leaves yourself and this forum open to litigation.

Quote: Red Preacher "If this 60k is donated do we still need 540k to start the season,or is it still at 600k as Wilky as said we need?'"


The vibe I got from Thursday's meeting was to try and clear the petition and take it from there. (The fans won't be able to raise much more than that anyway, if we're being honest.) It would mean the club can trade while the RFL liases with its interested parties to buy the club in January. Very sketchy on the details but the RFL's COO Ralph Rimmer said as much to Paul Highton and the lads. The rest of the money appears to be liabilities that can be spread over a period of time or working capital - I can't recall with any certainty but that's the impression I got.

The most encouraging revelation was in regards to the 'robust' business plan, which could show a profit on modest crowds (based on the paying numbers from last season?). 'Robust' meaning cutting our cloth accordingly. And why John didn't disclose this fully on the 17th, I don't know. It would have saved a week's worth of despair.

Not that achieving last year's figures will be a cakewalk but the 8,000 nonsense was pie in the sky and it would have been futile continuing on that premise.

Quote: Red Preacher "And what I find hilarious is all you supporters who slagged Patten off over the years, you're actually fund raising for Wilky to pay him. Patten must have a wry smile on his face. 22.1435546875:10
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