Liam Hood. Yeah right massive queue for his scribble. Thats why Sheens released him and went for Tomkins Good Call.

Can't think of any other than Coley who you mentioned. Ian Bragger the centre from Keighley many years ago perhaps? Didn't he start off like a house and fire and score about 20 tries in his first couple of season's with us? I think we then sold him to Castleford and his career nose dived for whatever reason.

I honestly thought we'd snatched a gem from Swinton in Menzies - big, mobile prop with a good pair of hands but with that bad lengthy injury last season Sheens obviously didn't like the risk.

I thought the same. The highlights video was very impressive but aren't they always? Problem was we couldn't get him on the field.

Pretty sure I saw him on Twitter saying he'd started personal training so may have finished altogether.
May have not entirely recovered, pitty if that's the case.

Wasn't Richie Myler signed when Widnes were in the lower league?

Yes I'd forgot about that. We benefitted from their misfortune of going into voluntary administration if I remember correctly.

Tex Evans is another player who did well for us after signing from Swinton. I'm not sure though if Swinton were a top flight team or not though when he signed for us back in the late 80's . They may have been relegated the year he signed for us?

Evans came from Swinton at at time they were a yo-yo club (like we had been just before) so I cannot remember whether we signed him just as they won the Second Division or just as they were relegated back the next season(s).

I remember Brags well, played against him in the BARLA National league i think he played for Eastmoor he's pre Super-league anyway,

I wasn't referring to Salford, Stanley, just to the notion that people band that phrase around in a negative context when there's talented players in that league. As for Salford, well, we're not in a position to be offering the best in RL a chance to play for us, either financially or in the credibility stakes. Seeing as we are only able to 'Scrape through' to maintain our SL status (By a clear 4 points) it's a wonder we have the personnel that we do. We need to build our credibility to grow our team, both on and off the pitch. We need to start somewhere and I think the last few seasons have been wasted years trying to do it the quick way.

The irony here is that during the time we had 'names' playing for us, a lot of people were clamouring for us to grow through the Academy and youth and have players that want to graft and play for the shirt. When we get that they're underwhelmed by it and start with the doom and gloom. I don't really understand what they want. You can't suddenly have both until you've made a mark on SL for a few seasons.

I'm concerned about certain aspects of the team, but I think it would be folly to cast judgement at this stage.

There maybe plenty of talented players knocking around the lower leagues, but that doesn't mean they can cut the mustard in Superleague, we're talking a massive gulf here in ability. We always seem to sign the garbage. The odd one or two like Hardaker and Hill just to mention a few rightly get picked up by the bigger clubss. We on the other hand pick out the odd gem in Coley once in every blue moon. Our newly formed pack with the likes of Joseph, Griffin, Krasniqi, Haggerty, and the Walnuts have really got to improve ten fold if we're going to deny Leigh's push for glory this year. Yes i feel negative with this pack in fact i'd go as far as saying its the worst i've ever seen beating the Steve Hurbett and David Major days. Well on paper it is anyway. And thats saying something, I've seen some Shite.

Spot on Butcher the money is easily wasted without good foundations and it doesn't happen overnight. We have to aim to progress year after year at a realistic pace. It's about developing the right culture, getting the right mix and investing more time, money and energy in youth. I have to agree though that the first thing we need to do is to focus on rebuilding our diminished credibility in the game. The last 4 years have been a complete PR nightmare in the face of some hard work, ambition and best intentions.

Correct but it's the Doctors money that you're talking about,because our contribution doesn't scratch the surface.
When he first came in it didn't look like he was a long term bet,and he might well turn out to be,so it wasn't about building it from firm roots.
Cutting through the crap,we all want success. Plan A has failed,but it was fascinating.
I hope he has the patience for Plan B.

We're already on Plan B. Plan C looks imminent if any more of the squad repeat Vidots wretched luck.

True it will have cost him a lot and no supporter wants to see their club or club owner not getting value for money. Be it the Docs cash, the £2 million sky money each year or the other income the club generates.