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Mrs Nocash.

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Quote: Wirecutter "You aren't on your own REDRUM. I've thought long and hard over this but I just can't get my head around it. If it's to just win another vote on the marquee signing rule it seems an expensive manouvour.

Is there a visionary on this forum who could possibly explain the potential benefits to the Koukash's of owning both Salford and Bradford?'"



There are many benefits to owning 2 clubs, or (proxy owning).

Some of which have been put on the VT in terms of the champ manager senario.

However, in terms of the practical day to day advantages they could not just switch players at will like on the computer game.

But it does give him a better strategic position. He now gets 2 votes on all matters SL.

That gives him a better position currently. But if he can save Bradford, he goes from having 1/14th to 1/6th of a say in how the game opperates. He will be far from the monopoly position, however if he can get a brother involved too then he keeps increasing his strategic base.

This is assuming all things remain equal. ie other owners don't follow suit.

Most owners have some tie to a club beyond that of owning them, they may have been fans etc.
Koukash was never a Salford or Bulls fan growing up, so he could have bought wakefield if they where on the market. It's his vision that he is buying more than the club itself.

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Quote: Wirecutter "Is there a visionary on this forum who could possibly explain the potential benefits to the Koukash's of owning both Salford and Bradford?'"


All the fords, fordy ford.

Cas' next.

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Quote: terrykelly "Sky Sports News interview with the 'couple' was really 'cringeworthy'.
Interview was mainly with the Doctor. Mrs Koucash just smiled. giggled, and said "yeah" quite a lot. Obviously she will have nothing to do with any potential takeover, it will be in name only.
She is hardly Kath Hethrington ! !!!
Par for the course that a rugby league forum user would attempt to belittle someone willing to put money into the sport and end the continuing mess that is Bradford Bulls.
The interview was solely to confirm that it is Mrs Koukash behind the bid and to ask about the 'conflict of interst' issue raised on the social media.The format for the interview would have been sorted before the camera rolled.
With her being a tad busy having babies and nurturing them her experience before tv cameras would be limited and as nothing has been confirmed regarding ownership she would be limited in what she could say.
( Friends and relations of the other bidders may have objected or suggested favouritism )
She was asked closed questions and answered;despite the interviewer removing the microphone quite quickly and Dr K was able to amplify a bit more relating to pertinent points.
Nothing cringeworthy about it in my view.
Hopefully she is nothing like Kath Hetherington and won't acquiesce to the RFL should Hull FC find themselves short of fans any time in the future.

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Quote: Red-Devils-PAW "With her being a tad busy having babies and nurturing them her experience before tv cameras would be limited '"


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They'll want the vote next.

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Quote: Red-Devils-PAW "
The interview was solely to confirm that it is Mrs Koukash behind the bid and to ask about the 'conflict of interst' issue raised on the social media.The format for the interview would have been sorted before the camera rolled.
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Did the interview convince you it was her behind the bid?

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Let's be honest if the Doc did increase his influence within RL circles would that be a bad thing for the game? The RFL aren't exactly covering themselves in glory with the way they are running things so maybe someone shaking things up at HQ is what is needed for the betterment of the sport in the UK.

You'd also think that on some level the Doc's increased (OK the Koukash family) interest/involvement in RL would draw in other investors, pretty sure when he bought the club he said he knew of others (possibly in the horse racing fraternity) who would be interested in investing.

I say good luck to him, it's his money if he wants to spend it I say we are fortunate he wants to do so in the game we all love.

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Quote: Michigan red "Let's be honest if the Doc did increase his influence within RL circles would that be a bad thing for the game? The RFL aren't exactly covering themselves in glory with the way they are running things so maybe someone shaking things up at HQ is what is needed for the betterment of the sport in the UK.

You'd also think that on some level the Doc's increased (OK the Koukash family) interest/involvement in RL would draw in other investors, pretty sure when he bought the club he said he knew of others (possibly in the horse racing fraternity) who would be interested in investing.

I say good luck to him, it's his money if he wants to spend it I say we are fortunate he wants to do so in the game we all love.'"


I'd very much welcome his increased influence.
He's great news for our sport.
One family owning 2 teams in a 12 team competition is wrong at every level.

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2015 Challenge Cup Semi Final Draw just out :-

Gloucester Old Gabrails v Salford Red Devils (Played at the Koukash Stadium Bradford)

Bradford Mandys v Swinton Laylas (Played at the AJ Bell Stadium) icon_biggrin.gif

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Just wait until his daughter wants a club. She seems to be enjoying herself at Salford and also appears to have caught the bug. It cant be too long off her 18th now, beats a new car doesn’t it! icon_wink.gif

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Quote: ANTWERP RED "The Docs missus Is interested putting in a bid for or looking to invest in the Bulls, According to BBC & skysports perhaps She's lookin to merge both Teams . And call them the RED BULLS!!'"


It is a simple plan. The Doc will transfer a lot of players from Salford to Bradford for minute transfer fees, and then dump Salford in the close season after Salford have been relegated.

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Oh thats quite hilarious OV. Why is it that its always fans of Widnes, Hull KR or Cas?

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There seems to be an incredible amount of RL savvy being thrown about by some opposition fans. They seem to know the future, stating an idle fantasy as some form of truth. We've heard it all before...

A GP from St Helens, a fraud, a short-term Larry. You name it.

Amazingly, even with this Nostradamus type prophetic RL insight, not one of them have got it right yet.

It's mildly amusing, especially as it pops-up in every other thread.

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Does anyone know what Mrs Koukash did as a career before becoming Mrs Koukash? My initial thought is that she is a front for Marwan, bet perhaps this is doing her a dis-service.
From a selfish point of view, I would have preferred to see some success at Salford before the family branched out, and became distracted with other concerns.
My worry is that they have realised than the crowds at Salford will never be 20k, and Bradford would become the star project.

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Quote: stouffer "You'd better get used to it. Also some vague nonsense about 'doing it the right way'.'"


I’d love for someone to tell me the last time a club won an honour off the back of its own community’s income alone.

Quote: stouffer "Do we all stop beating around the bush and accept this Bulls's proposal for what it seems to be, and that is Mr Koukash simply strengthening up for more future battles with those at the top of the RFL?'"


Quote: stouffer "It does give him a better strategic position. He now gets 2 votes on all matters SL.'"


Quote: stouffer "If it's to just win another vote on the marquee signing rule it seems an expensive manoeuvre.'"


I think, if Koukash is going to buy two more clubs for proxy votes to sway the marquee rule in his favour, some clubs that voted for the motion previously could very well change their mind. Thus making this manoeuvre pointless.

Quote: stouffer "If it transpires that Marwan is funding this takeover and his wife is just a front (and let's be honest this is the most plausible explanation) then the RFL should block the move.'"


Quote: stouffer "Let's be honest if the Doc did increase his influence within RL circles would that be a bad thing for the game? The RFL aren't exactly covering themselves in glory with the way they are running things so maybe someone shaking things up at HQ is what is needed for the betterment of the sport in the UK.

You'd also think that on some level the Doc's increased (OK the Koukash family) interest/involvement in RL would draw in other investors, pretty sure when he bought the club he said he knew of others (possibly in the horse racing fraternity) who would be interested in investing.'"


There is that, but there are other ways and means of influencing change. Brian Snape decided to do this by being active on RFL committees and sub-commitees and bringing people round to his way of thinking. The only issue with this way is that it took him and other Chairmen with the same views around 3–4 years to push through a shake up at the top. However, when in the meat of this process, Snape threatened to resign from all of his RFL appointments, a lot of the media was on his side. You get the impression Koukash wants its done yesterday and I’m not sure this Veruca Salt attitude will win him many allies.

Quote: stouffer "My worry is that they have realised than the crowds at Salford will never be 20k, and Bradford would become the star project.'"


Quote: stouffer "If this takeover happens then I would get ready for the good doctor to jump ship with Mr Noble. Bradford has a bigger fan base and more potential in the good doctors eyes. Unless Salford can start attracting 10000 crowds regularly, then Bradford will be his new home in the not too distant future.

For Salford's sake. let's hope they are unsuccessful in their bid.'"


Well there is a comparison to be made with the Glazer families holdings with Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Manchester United. Buccaneers fans and commentators have criticised the Glazers for concentrating on United while allowing their team to dwell in the doldrums of the NFL. However, I think this is different in that it would be far more brazen to do when both clubs are playing the same sport, in the same league.

Quote: stouffer "Can he 'advise' more 'family members' to save more cash strapped clubs and possibly even set up his own breakaway league?? - I'm sure the likes of Simon Moran and Ian Lenegan would be interested in jumping ship if the chance arose.'"


Possibly. Breakaways of this sort have reared their head before. Taking 1895 and 1995 as read, in 1986, for example, ten ‘leading’ clubs — Bradford, Halifax, Hull, Hull KR, Leeds, St Helens, Salford, Warrington, Widnes and Wigan — threatened a breakaway to form their own ‘Super League’ in an attempt to change the RFL position on voting power. In 1998, Wigan’s chairman Mike Nolan believed Super League was on the verge on going it alone, in the best commercial interests of those clubs.

If Koukash has the amount of money and clout that has been suggested by a couple of press outlets, then perhaps it could happen. I think he needs more allies though.

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