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| Quote: jjm "The JVC is a commercial operation, set up to make a profit. It may well do this in future when the land is developed further.
What is certain is that Salford RLFC have no obligations to the JVC.'"
So you are a tenant without any obligations to the landlord? Brilliant
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "So you are a tenant without any obligations to the landlord? Brilliant'"
A simple question is what's your interest? are you a rate payer in Salford?
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| Quote: Always behind the sticks "Also, had the new regime not come along, then the City Council would have been the proud owners of a City Stadium that would have had no teams playing in it bearing the name of the City and whilst that may have pleased a couple of Councillors and some of Salford's Council Tax payers, I highly doubt that would have been their preferred outcome.'"
And Koukash knows this. He wants Salford City Council’s share of the stadium and has leverage with a stadium elsewhere; Sale also have leverage with a stadium elsewhere. Who blinks first?
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "Whether these threats are pointless or not only time will tell, but, they are embarrassing.
Let me get this straight again, your club (sorry old regime) agreed to a move to Barton subsidised by the rate payers of the City on the promise of 8,000 souls turning up every other week to help pay for the rent.
That didn't happen so you get bailed out by the ratepayers but as your shop is rubbish and you can't get a bus to Eccles or a train connection to Rochdale you want to move out, or buy the ground at a knock down price because its just not working for you and your new regime....jokers'"
It's traditionally a highly competitive field but you've put down a strong marker for the prize of most ill-informed post of the week. Well done.
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| Quote: Always behind the sticks "Rico, That is such a ridiculous over simplification of what happened it barely justifies a response, have you taken up writing articles for the Salford Star?
Just to put things in context - the new regime is meeting its obligations in terms of rent due on the stadium now, rent, incidentally that will eventually recover and exceed the initial investment many times over, plus (and this also seems to have slipped under your radar) it is also paying off all the debts of the previous regime through a voluntary CVA.
The irony that not being able to afford the rent following the move which so nearly put paid to the club in totality is not lost on any of us, so to suggest that the new regime should have any obligation to stay at the stadium if it's not the right deal is, actually, nonsense. Even more so, given that the Council allowed Sale Sharks to have a much better deal than their self-professed 'Anchor Tenant'.
Also, had the new regime not come along, then the City Council would have been the proud owners of a City Stadium that would have had no teams playing in it bearing the name of the City and whilst that may have pleased a couple of Councillors and some of Salford's Council Tax payers, I highly doubt that would have been their preferred outcome.'"
What is both "ridiculous"and "ironic" is your post if you care to re read what you have written. Particularly where you state and I'm paraphrasing, that the new regime is meeting its obligations that will eventually recover the 'debt' and more, but, we might just buzz off and not meet those obligations if we feel that it doesn't suit us.
Isn't that the point, simplified though it is?
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| Quote: Wayward Fan "It's traditionally a highly competitive field but you've put down a strong marker for the prize of most ill-informed post of the week. Well done.'"
Why thank you Wayward Fan your obviously entitled to that opinion, not one I share.
One thing I will agree on is that on this board it is a highly competitive field made up in the most part by your own posters
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| Quote: Michigan red "A simple question is what's your interest? are you a rate payer in Salford?'"
A simple answer to a simple question, yes
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| Quote: Bonita Red "Look guys,I wish it wasn't so,but without the ratepayers of Salford we wouldn't exist in our present form,if at all.
Whether all the money owed to Salford Council is totally repaid at the end of the day will only be proven in the future.
Forget the technical argument because,for all practical purposes,of course we have been supported by and are indebted to the ratepayers of Salford.
As I say,I wish it wasn't so but it is,unfortunately'"
Fair comment, carry on like this and you will be in the running for Wayward Fan's for ill informed post of the week award
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| Quote: Chico "Just to pad this out a little
Does anyone know what the club actually wanted? If not this "scaled-down cut-price model then what and how would it have helped the situation?
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| Uncle Rico - The Salford rate payer who travels to Warrington to watch RL, complaining about the prospect of Salford moving out of town. Great stuff this.
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| Quote: Uncle Rico "Does anyone know what the club actually wanted? If not this "scaled-down cut-price model then what and how would it have helped the situation?'"
Well they planned for thishttps://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/42358000/jpg/_42358723_salford_reds1_416.jpg" >
The plan was to make the club (with stadium) self-sufficient through radial developments — whether they were a retail park, a ‘supercasino’ or a hotel. Essentially this was Wilky’s legacy.
In retrospect, you could argue that it was ‘pie in the sky’; you could also argue that the economic collapse five or six years ago put pay to any development funded in this way.
This is just part of the story as many of the Salford supporters on here, who lived through this saga for ten years, could tell you.
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| Quote: Bill52 "I agree the stadium is not in the ideal location, but I would rather be delayed a little and have my car in one piece, unlike at Weaste where away fans constantly moaned about vandalised cars. A lot of people are now forgetting all the problems we had at The Willows and looking to blame all our ills on the new stadium. All I would say is wait until we have some success, see what our fan base is like, and see if we can generate an atmosphere like we used to.'"
Getting back to the original point, I tend to agree with Bill’s comments earlier. We need to assess the ground if/when Salford have a side worth watching. It’s just that we need that side next year, and that may be a tough ask.
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| Quote: Talent Spotter "Uncle Rico - The Salford rate payer who travels to Warrington to watch RL, complaining about the prospect of Salford moving out of town. Great stuff this.'"
Rico ,Stones- Glass houses- Warrington Council loaned Wire 200K in the early 2000's when they were struggling . OK for them , not OK for us??
or are you trolling cos you are bored with no game to go to over the Aug bank holiday ?
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| Can see one of two outcomes next season.
One - We have a team who competes but plays Nobles conservative rumbling forward game, end of around 6th on the ladder and make a real tilt in the cup
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Two - We struggle from the off (hard to start a brand new team in an off season regardless of the quality players you bring in) and at some point Noble gets the chop from the Doc and we go down the tried and tested route of bring in an Aussie (I did think that for an outside bet he'd look at Morley for the position alongside Hunt but think that would be too much of a risk).
Can't on any level see the Doc leaving Barton, he must know that the improvements are coming on and that towards the end of next season they will be finished improving a significant gripe on match days. I still think he will get at the very least a controlling stake in the stadium and then invest not only in the infrastructure needed to make the club self financing but I'd bet that he has plans for something like a hotel somewhere on the surrounding land. I've thought with his involvement from day one that he's positioning himself for the day then race course get's the go ahead and facilities he builds at Barton for me have an eye too that.
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