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Howarth is only versatile if you consider him playing turd in all those positions. He's good at being mediocre in a number of different roles.

As for predictions...

Who knows?

On paper you'd say Saints, but like most things RL, the team that doesn't 'turn-up' is going to lose.

Saints by 8.

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I hope we make a good fist of it to entice the floating fans who'll be watching it on the tellybox.

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any injury news update? noble on bbc website said Darrell Griffin and Shannan McPherson went off, Jake Mullaney picked up a knock . Hope Mullaney ok as i thought he's been great in the last two games

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Don't worry faddy - Howarth can play in every position so we've got cover at full-back.

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I don't think it is very easy for young players in this day and age,with the demand for immediate success and the player pathway difficulties.
Young players should be given every encouragement and blooded correctly.
I could provide a link of all the young players through Wigan Academy,some selected to represent their country,and you could have followed their career path;not all of them instantly successful,in the same code,or the same country.
I could also remind you that a certain round-ball kicker,soon to 'earn' 300k a week,was treated with utmost caution at Everton by David Moyes.
I could remind you of a poster on here last year stating Theo and Marc Sneyd were not Super League standard.

rlHERErl is a happier reminder of the potential of Stuart Howarth - note the opposition.

2 former hookers in Nathan Brown and Brian Noble have selected him for first team action.

I hope our supporters take their voices to support our players and the Super Josh mascot on Thursday night and our young players take all the accolades.

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Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Rangi will 100% play, I don't think Junior will make it though. I would expect to see Morley, Puletua and Dixon to be recalled too.

I can't wait for this one just to see where we stand against the team I think will go on to win the whole thing come the end of the season. I hope we cut out the stupid tries we've conceded vs Wakefield (sloppy interception) and London (one-on-one steal) as we'll struggle make the points up against better teams. Our pack needs to step it up another notce, I think they've been superb so far but Saints are different proposition. Gareth Hock also needs to keep his cool, we knew what we were getting but I just hope he let's his outstanding talent make the headlines, it will be an emotional game for him (being a Wigan lad an all).

After the Wakefield game I'm hoping for another 7k crowd, Saints will bring double what Wakefield did which should compensate for those floating Salford fans that choose to stay at home and watch on Sky.

Prediction; Saints by 10 with Salford putting in a strong performance but just coming up short.'"


He isn't in the squad named today.

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Quote: The Perry Boy "NO! NO! NO! NO and NO!!

He can't play in any of those positions!!

Second row and Loose forward?! Are you insane?!
When we spoke to Paul Highton on the DITD he said Howath was signed as a loose forward.
He would be a Diddy one but we had had Diddy forwards before Brad Hepi, Mark Shipway, Martin Crompton played loose fwd for us back in the day.

If he can play 9 which he can, then he can play 13, if he can play 13 then he could fill in for 20 mins in 2nd Row .

If lee can play 7 when chase went off why can't Howath both hookers, both simular body frames ? Wouldn't be my 1st choice but your pivots are important less disruption during the game the better.

Personally think Howath is becoming a bit of a skape goat fair enough he did throw a interception v Wakefield but did read the play and catch the Wakefield chip n chase to win the game...swings and rounderbouts for me.

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Brian Noble will choose his side from:

1. Jake Mullaney, 2. Danny Williams, 3. Martin Gleeson, 4. Junior Sa'u, 5. Francis Meli, 7. Tim Smith, 8. Adrian Morley, 9. Tommy Lee, 10. Lama Tasi, 11. Tony Puletua, 12. Gareth Hock, 13. Harrison Hansen, 14. Theo Fages, 16. Andy Dixon, 17. Shannan McPherson, 19. Matty Ashurst, 23. Greg Johnson, 24. Stuart Howarth.

according to saints website this is the squad. im suprised that Junior in the team as he was 50/50 and chase was almost fit. theo had a cracking game last week so lets hope he does the same again.

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Quote: The optimist "When we spoke to Paul Highton on the DITD he said Howath was signed as a loose forward.
He would be a Diddy one but we had had Diddy forwards before Brad Hepi, Mark Shipway, Martin Crompton played loose fwd for us back in the day.

If he can play 9 which he can, then he can play 13, if he can play 13 then he could fill in for 20 mins in 2nd Row .

If lee can play 7 when chase went off why can't Howath both hookers, both simular body frames ? Wouldn't be my 1st choice but your pivots are important less disruption during the game the better.

Personally think Howath is becoming a bit of a skape goat fair enough he did throw a interception v Wakefield but did read the play and catch the Wakefield chip n chase to win the game...swings and rounderbouts for me.'"




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Quote: The optimist "When we spoke to Paul Highton on the DITD he said Howath was signed as a loose forward.
He would be a Diddy one but we had had Diddy forwards before Brad Hepi, Mark Shipway, Martin Crompton played loose fwd for us back in the day.

If he can play 9 which he can, then he can play 13, if he can play 13 then he could fill in for 20 mins in 2nd Row .

If lee can play 7 when chase went off why can't Howath both hookers, both simular body frames ? Wouldn't be my 1st choice but your pivots are important less disruption during the game the better.

Personally think Howath is becoming a bit of a skape goat fair enough he did throw a interception v Wakefield but did read the play and catch the Wakefield chip n chase to win the game...swings and rounderbouts for me.'"


Yes,you're right,he is a bit of a scapegoat primarily on the back of the soft interception.
However,the better question to ask whether he's good enough and he isn't.
He's ok as an emergency but not as a 'first choice' interchange player.

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No Griffin or Rapira either. I expect we'll see Morley and Puletua back in for these two, with maybe Andrew Dixon back in for Jason Walton to give us an extra forward on the bench, and possibly S'au and Meli instead of Meli and Williams on the left.

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Quote: The optimist "When we spoke to Paul Highton on the DITD he said Howarth was signed as a loose forward.

He would be a diddy one but we had had diddy forwards before, Brad Hepi, Mark Shipway, Martin Crompton played loose fwd for us back in the day.

If he can play 9, which he can, then he can play 13. If he can play 13 then he could fill in for 20 mins in 2nd Row .

If Lee can play 7 when Chase went off why can't Howarth? Both hookers, both similar body frames. Wouldn't be my 1st choice but your pivots are important, less disruption during the game the better.

Personally think Howarth is becoming a bit of a scapegoat. Fair enough he did throw a interception v Wakefield but did read the play and catch the Wakefield chip n chase to win the game...swings and roundabouts for me.'"


How is he being made a scapegoat?

He isn't being blamed for anything!!

People are simply pointing out he's crap regardless of whatever position he plays!!

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Quote: The optimist "When we spoke to Paul Highton on the DITD he said Howath was signed as a loose forward.
He would be a Diddy one but we had had Diddy forwards before Brad Hepi, Mark Shipway, Martin Crompton played loose fwd for us back in the day.

If he can play 9 which he can, then he can play 13, if he can play 13 then he could fill in for 20 mins in 2nd Row .

If lee can play 7 when chase went off why can't Howath both hookers, both simular body frames ? Wouldn't be my 1st choice but your pivots are important less disruption during the game the better.

Personally think Howath is becoming a bit of a skape goat fair enough he did throw a interception v Wakefield but did read the play and catch the Wakefield chip n chase to win the game...swings and rounderbouts for me.'"


scapegoat? No, he's just not good enough. I've said this for the last 2 seasons. He's had one decent game in a Salford shirt and that was the friendly against Wire the other week.

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