Most of what Black Cat say's is right.But who ever put on here that people who say anything against the club
is stopping people going is on another planet.

Tedious, the club is badly run and no there is nothing we can do about it unless one of us wins the euro millions, for the people who think it's all rosy still your not worth wasting time on your heads will be firmly routed in that sand even if we end up at Swinton's level. Heard an advert today on the radio ''Salford City Reds...new stadium new attitude'' Oh how I laughed. I can't see a silver lining atm.

This was being advertised on the screens under the south stand at the Huddersfield gamehttp://desmond.yfrog.com/Himg878/scaled.php?tn

(Oh, and the clock is an hour behind)

Has as already been stated, stating that people are being put off going to matches because of this forum suggests that it has at least a hand in our poor attendances. Do you really think attendances are low because of negativity on here, even in any small way?



It's one of those natural evolving topics, to be fair. I think any discussion is better had in public, although I don't particularly see what there is to discuss? To suggest this forum has an affect on attendences is ridiculous and ignores many of the actual issues behind people not coming to watch the match.



There is a lack of unity, but I think it's a wider issue than just people disagreeing on this forum. A forum which, let's be fair, most of our supporters don't read. It's only a small minority of Salford fans who come on here. To suggest a lot of non-attenders, both of this forum and not of this forum, don't come anymore because of perceived negativity on here is, as I've already said, ridiculous.

This sentence

"putting people off going to the game with your incessant slagging off the club" (no mentions of posts on this forum).

Is not the same as this sentence

"poor attendances are down to posts on this message board"

Some people have conveniently concentrated on one line in my post, misinterpreted it and missed the bigger picture I was trying to paint.

So I'll put it another way.

If someone continually slaggs of SCR to people they live, work and socialise with. Are those people likely to have negative perceptions about SCR because of what they hear from said person?

I don't want to form an opinion based on the conjecture that appears on this board because most of it invariably turns out to be [is[/ihite (we're fielding Kevin Sinfield and moving back to the Willows, remember). I don't know what these players are on, so can you tell me? I also don't know what offers (if any) they've had from other clubs, so can you tell me that too?

Bad mouthing the club,chairman,directors,staff and certain players on a regular basis doesn't help though,does it?

Well said Red John, one of their former targets actually found a Superleague club after his time here Ian Sibbitt.

I have no idea why your bringing the stupid Kevin Sinfield rumour into it? And I don't know what the players are on, I do know that it’s a good wage though (Feka and Anderson especially). I can't exactly see any other super league clubs queuing up for their services can you? If Salford don't offer them a contract they will end up playing in the Championship or retiring. I fail to see how you cannot form that opinion, the super league coaches seem to have.



Ratchford and Smith both signing contracts is totally irrelevant because neither are here now. Both signed because at the time they probably weren't good enough to get first team rugby at any other club so they both waited to the time was right then moved on. If Salford were a club moving forward they wouldn't have needed to go anywhere else would they? So to answer your question, no the club wasn't ok, although it was good enough to offer some more first team super league experience, but that’s all we ever were to them a stop gap if you like.

And, yeah I bet Matty Smith is really gutted we sold him. What a ludicrous thing to say. He has the opportunity to play in a grand final again this year with the biggest Rugby Club in the world instead of stodging the rest of the season out with us.



Yeah, I know Patten is retiring where have I said any different? I said that Patten is not taking up the option of a third year, which he did have in his original contract by the way. And why do you think he's not taking it up? Because he can't wait to get out, he's said as much himself. I bet he's gutted he didn't take up the chance of going to Huddersfield. He stated that things going on behind the scenes at Salford are things he'd never thought he'd see at a professional sports club. He and a number of players both ex and present have said this, Salford RLFC has been like this for a number of years, Robbie Paul is the most recent player to come and say as much.




I'm glad these 3 have signed and that’s something that the club should be applauded on (you see I can give praise where its due), but my concern is what if they actually become good like Ratchford, like Myler, like Gleeson etc will we be letting them go? Remember they will both only be 23 at the end of the 5 years so are they just using as the 'stop gap' again? Well yes I think they will be if we don't start to show some serious improvement in the next few years to make these kids and more like them want to stay.



The fact that threads and debates like this are even happening suggests we're struggling. I speak to countless fans who have lost interest, can't be bothered going. The relationship between everyone at the club: fans, playas and officials is strained at the moment I've never known it like this. Things need to change and fast! And as for your comment about sensible posters, you obviously mean the posters who agree with you? I think I’m a fairly sensible poster (when sober), but obviously because my opinion as well as few others aren’t the same as yours we’re not classed as sensible posters? We’re concerned Salford fans, who rightly want to express our concerns!

Only because Bradford we're desperate, look how well he's gone on to do!

Please explain how you don't know what the players are on but you know that it is a good wage especially Feka and Vinny Anderson?

Well ok seen as you ask, I've been told by a player. Not told what they are on exactly, but I was told they are on a hefty wage!

Sounds more like a rumour(an unsubstantiated one at that)than an explanation to me.

Fair enough, believe what you want.

You've watched this club long enough to surely understand that at this very moment Salford RLFC is on a massive downer? Everything about the place seems so wrong from the playing staff, to the fans, right up to the directors. Worrying times if you ask me, unless things change and drastically next season as the licence bids will have to be submitted by the end of the next year IIRC. The RFL for everyone’s hatred of them have already given us enough chances, if we bugger this up then they won't give us another one that’s for sure.

I thought they were on a downer at the first pre-season game at the SCS but they overcame that and even managed to push the world champions in the CCC game.
On the other site a Wigan fan asked how the SCR players could be motivated when backed by 146 fans on Monday night.
Some people question why more money isn't poured into the club - others question why some players receive a wage.
Some supporters want the hierarchy removed but offer no alternative;nor have they apparently made any effort to find an alternative but are happy to condemn anyone and everyone involved with the club.
I was reminded today of the acronym TEAM -Together Everyone Achieves More.
It would help if everyone pulled in the same direction.
It is not so much the RFL who interest me but the thoughts of other Super League clubs if they feel SCR don't bring enough to the party.
Suicide by Supporters ain't a pretty sight !
When Warrington can post losses and Bradford becomes a soap opera things don't seem as bad at Salford as some make out.