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Well spotted king of the shed,some very interesting reading there,like i mentioned above i think the general might have under estimated the quality of super league and perhaps/hopefully next season we might see a change in his style of play having had time to adapt to our game.I remember a certain matt king had a stinker of a season in his first year in super league! now look what he has achieved in the past 2 seasons !!
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| Quote: theredshed "Surely if there is one less player in the defensive line then teams will exploit the extra space. Fullbacks are only effective in defending 1 on 1 line break situations, if the team that make the break have support they are about as much use as an ejector seat in a helicopter.'"
Come on now: have a think about this. How many times in the modern game does a one on one with the FB happen? Very few. Attacking kickers rarely put a high bomb to the central in goal area and prefer to put the wide defenders under pressure from their own attacking wingers.
The fact of the matter is that Brett Hodgson (for example) appears to have a lot more time to collect and run the ball back because he's playing behind a very very good defence, whereas some of our defence this season has been absolutely woeful: last week's game at Hull FC being just one of those examples. I agree with one of the previous posters who stated that you could put Billy Slater at FB in the current Reds team and he would probably look pretty ordinary.
I think Patten is pure class and I think we'll probably see a lot more from him in the future.
P.S. I have been known to be wrong before though.  |
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| Quote: Ave It! "What about about the dropped balls from kicks of any sort which come in? Defence isn't all about tackling when playing fullback its also about defusing the danger from kicks, which 7 times out of 10 he doesn't do.'"
If the players ahead of him were stoping them get within 30 meters of our goal posts then the bomb wouldn't be an option, they'd be forced to be hitting the ball 50-60 meters into or corners giving him more time to think, if you look at Hull KR they have fast line speed stoping teams getting yards to give Shaun Briscoe time to sprint the ball up field, that was the difference between us and Castleford 4 weeks back. |
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I tend to agree with the recent posts; it's our general defence that is letting us down. We need more line speed and solid defending. MP I'm sure will be working on this amongst other things. Keep the faith. I say the Salford Reds are rising.
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| Quote: Butchersdad "Come on now
I have to agree that fewer tries appear to be scored from line breaks than in the past. The stats may prove me wrong but there certainly seems to be more tries scored from either close range or from attacking kicks. I suppose you could say that tighter defences have created the need for more attacking kicks to open up defences. The question is though have better defences actually made the game less exciting a spectacle to watch? If I think back for instance to the 80/90's you would regularly see the likes of Joe Lydon, Offiah or Schofield, etc scoring some absolute long range corkers!
It would be interesting to know how many tries are started these days from within say a teams own half compared with the past? Lets be honest most of us would prefer to be jumping up and down cheering along a winger running at pace from his own 20 than watching him contest and catch a high kick to the corner from about a yard out.
Perhaps the NRL/RFLwill change the rules in future if defences improve even further, making the game 11 v 11 instead of 13 and ditching scrums to make the game more open and entertaining.
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| Quote: Forever Reds "
Ahh resulting to calling me for stupid for having a difference of opinion with you, very grown up!
FWIW I am as impressed as the next man with Pattens attacking ability, but no amount of stats or anything will convince me that his defensive weakness can just be swept under the carpet(Yes maybe his mistakes stand out more being a fullback), but lets face it there has been some absolute shockers by him this year, but then on the other hand he has produced moments of class when attacking.
After all we are Salford, we are more often than not going to be under pressure and for me IN MY OPINION I just don't think he's been coping all that well with it.
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| Quote: Ave It! "Ahh resulting to calling me for stupid for having a difference of opinion with you, very grown up!
FWIW I am as impressed as the next man with Pattens attacking ability, but no amount of stats or anything will convince me that his defensive weakness can just be swept under the carpet(Yes maybe his mistakes stand out more being a fullback), but lets face it there has been some absolute shockers by him this year, but then on the other hand he has produced moments of class when attacking.
After all we are Salford, we are more often than not going to be under pressure and for me IN MY OPINION I just don't think he's been coping all that well with it.'"
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| Quote: king of the shed "I know I'll sound like I think he's Neil Baker or something (which clearly I don't BTW) but just to add to his defence, it's easy to pick out the full back for mistakes as I've said before, but let's look at one of our other golden balls players, say Stef for instance , quality player on his day but compare his stats to PattenPatten - 15
Ratchford - 10
MetersPatten - 1873
Ratchford - 1230
OffloadsPatten - 24
Ratchford - 14
Tackle BustsPatten - 15
Ratchford - 10
Clean BreaksRatchford - 11
Missed TacklesPatten - 33
Ratchford - 42
ErrorsPatten - 21
Ratchford - 24
PenaltiesPatten - 4
Ratchford - 14
Not having a dig at Stef (although he has made the second most errors for us and given away the penalties - think of that next time you say "bloody Jewitt again" ![]()
Think the meters stat is a bit misleading ... Patten has had far more carries (371) than Ratchford (17icon_cool.gif, yet on a per carry basis Ratchford actually makes more yards (6.9m vs 5m). This is even more remarkable when you consider the amount of easy yards you'd expect Patten to get from kick returns.
Generally speaking though I think Patten has been a bit under-rated this season. Think if anything those stats highlight the areas Ratchford would need to work on if he was to stay in the centres (offloads, tackle busts, missed tackles).
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| Quote: The Original Red Devils "Your not allowed a different opinion than anyone who is connected to forever reds ![]()
I'm not sure Forever Reds (the posters) is anything to do with the running of Forever reds mate, I'd presume it's merely a name.
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| Quote: Diavolo Rosso "
Generally speaking though I think Patten has been a bit under-rated this season.
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I agree. Seem to remember Patten being pretty solid under kicks earlier in the season. A couple of cocks ups at Wire and at home vs Quins and he is suddenly an awful defensive player? Not for me. |
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Salford RLFC
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Good john wilky last looked out
on the pitch at salford.
when the snow lay round about
deep and crisp and even
brightly played the lads that night
though the frost was cruelllll
when poor swinton scored a try
we had 94urrrrrrrrrr:7891.jpg |
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| Quote: Karlos13 "I agree. Seem to remember Patten being pretty solid under kicks earlier in the season. A couple of cocks ups at Wire and at home vs Quins and he is suddenly an awful defensive player? Not for me.'"
Not quite true though Karl he's made massive errors all season long and could have prevented many of the try's we have conceded, just go through all our games this year starting with Crusaders at MM and count how many 4 pointers should have been prevented by him.
Right this sounds like I've got it in for and I've not honest! He's miles better than fitzy and IMO the second best attacking fullback in the league behind Hodgson, but as I've already said I just don't think his defensive weaknesses can be brushed to one side just because of his attacking ability.
Anyway I'm leaving it at that now. See you all Sunday or the same 50 of us that always make the trip to Hull KR anyway! |
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