If you feel the club are "doing you proud" mate I am pleased for you but my post alludes to people who have been going home and away for many years finally reaching the point where they are not proud and HAVE thought it may be time to stay at home. If a bloke like Loyal Fan is questioning it then we, as a club, are in big trouble with regards to the loyal diehard support that has stuck with the club through thin and thinner.
FWIW I did agree with both JJ and Fungus that the thread has been done to death about Lee's wife and child and is not really necessary.

it's unreal how a topic about how a fan, who thinks a player waves and blowes kisses to them is actualy doing it to his wife and daughter, is blown out of all proportion and turned into a completely different discution, it's a wonder that players want to stay here when they are treated with so much hatred when things go wrong,

I'm glad it has turned into a different discussion.... as most people on here will surely feel we shouldn't have been discussing what was said in the original post anyway as it was completely pointless and followed the lines of having a go for having a go sake.

Bobbins I can accept.... effortless I can't. Plus.... we are so boring. Watching games with the tactics we are deploying at the moment.... I may as well watch Rugby U***n.

If i have upset anyone then apologies i obviously have miss read the situation end off. I don't have a problem with him waving at his kids as people have said if your daughter is waving you would naturally wave back.

This is not another thread about sacking the coach or blaming players it is just about peoples views about what we do next to get out of the situation we are in.Do we have money to buy new players ?Do we get players in on loan?Are there any players available to do a decent job for us?Just a couple of suggestions, maybe im going in the wrong direction I dont know would love your views.

Lee Jewitt is the kind of player our club has been crying out for for 10 years, like all thing you wait ages then 2 (him and rob parker) come at once.

Lee and Rob are physical, hard, rough kind of forward who physically and mentally should intimidate opposition fowards, giving massive hits out both legally and Illegally sometimes to allow the game to go our way.

The only problem with at the moment is

1) Experience - He keeps getting caught dishing out treatment to opposition important players, causing penalities to be given away, no point in having a standup fight with somebody every week because the fans wont like the penality given against them and adds pressure on the team.
A bit of better coaching and a word of advice from Parker on how to be physical but not illegal all the time would go along way to making Jewitt the main stay of our pack for years to come.

2) The rest of the forwards - Because of our lack of speed out wide the tactic seems to be roll down the middle so the forwards are being overused and sum individuals in the pack are underperforming as well so it doesnt matter how many parker and Jewitt knock down they are overrun in the end.

Both Parker and Jewitt need the rest of the forwards to be going forward both in defence and attack to see their strenghts.

rugby what

Listen mate - I have no beef with you or anyone else who feels their 'loyalty' stretches to bounds that I can no longer find acceptable. As for not "buying the product" - I already have with my ST (and one for my Son and one for my Daughter) and will continue to shout my team on until I get fed up of the same rubbish served up each week and then I will give the home games a miss as well. It is not something I want to do but something I feel I have no option to do, given what is happening. As Loyal Fan rightly points out - I have no problem with watching us when we are cr@p (hey we are all Solly fans so we are used to it) but I will not continually accept this lack of effort or boring one man rugby. The very last thing we, as supporters, should be doing is falling out with each other about it. We all love the club but have differing levels of tolerance. Clearly mine is lower than yours mate. No offence meant, it is a discussion forum for varied points of view. With regards the original point I think it was a clear misunderstanding and Lee has every right to wave to his children. I also think he is the type of player we need.
How do we get out of this mess? God only knows but, given we have no money available, we have to try and loan better than we have. If Wilshere does go to Hull we may be able to generate some cash or a decent exchange? I doubt we could find anyone who is putting as little effort in as he has this year - injured or not?
Ridiculously, I know that I will still be in the Shed when we are on our 15th successive defeat and nothing much will have changed but I just want someone in authority to do something instead of blaming each other and telling us they have no idea how to improve matters.

Time to change your username perhaps?

We really want to stop this turning it into a witch hunt! There is only one person to be burnt at the stake and thats the person who doesnt have the answers

first sensible post youve ever made