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Quote: LoyalFan "I think you miss my point (my fault not yours)... What I'm saying is... should there be a wealthy investor come in at Salford... if they came in with the current set up at the club, it wouldn't work. They would have to get the whole club from top to bottom right before their money would make the difference. If I through a ton of polish at a turd... and spend all the money doing it... it's still going to be a turd... I don't think it would have mattered how much money we had... You are right....Money does make a difference to a club I totally agree... but so do people.'"


You may well be right, I just think the comparisons to Hudds (or any club) are difficult to quantify.
Are they more successful on the pitch and increasing thier profile and crowds? Yes.

Are they doing so with the same resources we are? Let's not kid ourselves.

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All this talk of someone taking us over gives me a non to easy feeling. What's to stop Kennedy taking over Salford with promises of grandure only to run us into the ground and wind us up leaving the stadium free for Sale's sole use? I don't trust them one bit.. I hope n pray I'm wrong.

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Clearly there are a number of issues with anyone coming in to "take over" SCR. The first is that for the past few years the accounts have been qualified by the auditors saying that in effect, the club only exists because the current directors have given assurances that they will not look to withdraw their loans, if they did then the business could not carry on trading.

So it's not as simple as the existing major shareholders just agreeing to sell their shares, whoever were to buy those shares would have either to clear the existing loans i.e. pay out the directors who made them or IF those with the loans were agreeable to keeping them in place, to guarantee that the club could keep on trading as it currently does.

All that will have a rather salutary effect I suspect on anyone wanting to get control. However, that said, it seems pretty obvious that if SCR is to go forwards and compete with the big boys in the league then a pretty major investment and a complete shake up is needed - will that happen? Who knows? - Not me!!

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Quote: Salfords Finest "All this talk of someone taking us over gives me a non to easy feeling.'"


That is bound to happen soon. I don't think John will be the owner for much longer.

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I think when some people here say 'marketing', they really mean 'Promotion'. Don't forget there a few more Ps in the marketing mix - not least 'product'.

I sincerely believe that the Reds' core product has significantly improved - better rugby being played at a better stadium. Pricing, promotion and additional services like parking, access, staffing, catering etc all make up the 'Marketing'.

You could have spent £10K on a full page ad in the MEN and you might get a few new people to come to the Willows once out of interest. If they didn't enjoy the experience they wouldn't come back. How far has that investment in 'marketing' got you?

Advertising is not marketing.

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The question now is what do Dave Tarry and the management of SRLFC intend to do about this development?

Is it time DT appeared at a Forever Reds meeting?

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Tomkins thinks it is a great idea that Sale have moved in.

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Tomkins thinks it is a great idea that Sale have moved in.

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Quote: Diavolo Rosso "The question now is what do Dave Tarry and the management of SRLFC intend to do about this development?

Is it time DT appeared at a Forever Reds meeting?'"



If he reads this he knows how the fans feel so why would he put himself in the lions den, would the meeting be constructive or a pile of insults directed at him.

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Quote: Bigpev "If he reads this he knows how the fans feel so why would he put himself in the lions den, would the meeting be constructive or a pile of insults directed at him.'"


It clearly would not be a pile of insults, I've never seen any fans forum at Salford descend to that, although that's probably what he thinks would happen.

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Quote: Bigpev "If he reads this he knows how the fans feel so why would he put himself in the lions den, would the meeting be constructive or a pile of insults directed at him.'"


Well according to him... It's 'healthy competition'.... It's only healthy if you have the balls for the fight.... and I'm not yet convinced.

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Quote: Iain "It clearly would not be a pile of insults, I've never seen any fans forum at Salford descend to that, although that's probably what he thinks would happen.'"



I think it depends on who turns up, some people on this board may wish to come, but i know what you are saying, even the McRae sessions didn't go as low, but then again he only answered two questions and they were the answers he wanted to give and not necessary the answers to the questions.

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Dual Salford and Sale branding on the front of the stadium according to the MEN today. Marvellous, absolutely marvellous.

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Quote: GT "Go on then...

For a start, I've heard on the grapevine that Salford as a club are actually very unhappy with the stadium, the way in which things are being run and the deal we've ended up with. So I'm struggling to find any sort of comfort in that.'"


Well, leaving aside the grapevine's well known reliability issues (remember Kevin Sinfield?) isn't the fact that the club aren't happy with the stadium a sign that they're aware of the problems? I'd be worried if the grapevine was telling you they think everything's great.

Quote: GT "The team is doing as well as can currently be hoped and only an increase in budget could continue to push that forward. That is where I think most of us expected to be at and I think most of us would, looking at it objectively, be happy with that..'"


I'd say better than we could have hoped. We were written off by many people (including some of our own fans) at the start of the season. Also, we will likely finish the season with the second lowest average attendance in SL, yet we're in with a reasonable chance of a play off place. Better than we could have hoped, I think.

Quote: GT "Ticket pricing. I've spoken to many people who would be interested in coming to a game, both as casual fans and supporters who've drifted away over the years. They've all said that £20 is too much for them to justify. Drop the price to £15 around the ground and I think more people would start to drift in to see what happens. If they like what they see, they'll start coming back.'"


I agree ticket prices are too high, but you have to be careful here to avoid 'doing a Bradford'. I think we can agree that the club struggles for money. In order to keep the levels of income up at their current relatively pathetic levels, every pound you take off the ticket price has to be replaced by an increase in attendance of approximately 5% (not including money spent on peripherals, like programmes and the like). 5% of our current average attendance is around 250 people (probably a bit more). Could we guarantee that level of increase? Personally, I doubt it. So, the lost income would have to be replaced from somewhere, and that somewhere will no doubt be the directors who, despite what some people on here seem to think, don't appear to have bottomless pockets.

Quote: GT "Membership. The whole membership/season ticket package has been confusing and far more complex than it should have been. A simplified system, say a set advertised price for a ST which automatically makes you a member coupled with a competitively priced membership system giving discounts on match tickets is all that is needed. As nice as supporter packs, replica shirts and other extras are, I'm not sure they're really necessary and what is needed to attract people to hand their cash over in the first place?'"


Agreed, at least partly. The membership scheme started off as a reasonable idea because it allowed members to take other people along for half price. That seems to have gone this year, and the current scheme is a crock. It's not a sign that the club has been run badly for 30 years though is it?

Quote: GT "Advanced tickets for members....'"


How much of this is the club's fault? As you say further down, ticketing isn't in the club's hands. And the club aren't happy.

Quote: GT "The online shop requires sorting. There are basic templates out there that even the smallest of businesses can use to get a shop up and running. It doesn't have to be flash and fanciful - just professional and functional.'"


Agreed, but a functioning web site costs money. And we haven't got any.

Quote: GT "Ensure all advertised email addresses are set-up to go to a specific computer and people know who's responsibility it is to check and answer them.'"


Yup. But then I've not experienced any problems in my dealings with the club.

Quote: GT "Have at least two members of staff on hand in the club shop, ensuring breaks can be taken without having to shut for an indefinite length of time. Even having a member of staff from another department covering for half an hour would make a huge difference if another wage would be a struggle.'"


Again, money. Taking someone from another department isn't always possible because the other department might not be able to spare them.

Quote: GT "Season ticket sales. '"


Again, was this the club or Ticketline?

I'm still not convinced that Salford are a badly run club rather than a club run on a shoestring.

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Ive been trying to calm down all day and think of the positives of that mob moving in with us,you know what,i could`nt think of any,i`m worried to death that this is the end of my beloved club,when i first heard of us having our own brand spanking new state of the art stadium all them years ago i was cock a hoop,now its all turned to ashes.Going to listen now to the bullcrap what Tarry comes out with on GMR.

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Quote: Red John "Well, leaving aside the grapevine's well known reliability issues (remember Kevin Sinfield?) '"


Slight difference between hearing something from a club official and reading a post by Smithy68 on here I'm sure you would agree.

Quote: Red John "I agree ticket prices are too high, but you have to be careful here to avoid 'doing a Bradford'. I think we can agree that the club struggles for money. In order to keep the levels of income up at their current relatively pathetic levels, every pound you take off the ticket price has to be replaced by an increase in attendance of approximately 5% (not including money spent on peripherals, like programmes and the like). 5% of our current average attendance is around 250 people (probably a bit more). Could we guarantee that level of increase? Personally, I doubt it. So, the lost income would have to be replaced from somewhere, and that somewhere will no doubt be the directors who, despite what some people on here seem to think, don't appear to have bottomless pockets.'"


Agree about doing a Bradford but it is imperative we increase our crowds dramatically and if a competitive pricing structure is one potential way of doing it then we have to look at it. We are stuck in a stagnant cycle of poor crowds and low income and we have to strive to break this. You don't think the club is capable of adding 250 to the average attendance in a season? You must have a lower opinion of them than I do.

Quote: Red John "Agreed, but a functioning web site costs money. And we haven't got any. '"


You don't think we can afford an online club shop?

Quote: Red John "Again, money. Taking someone from another department isn't always possible because the other department might not be able to spare them. '"


You don't think we can afford enough staff to have the club shop open 9-5?

Quote: Red John "Again, was this the club or Ticketline?'"


It was Salford. My season ticket renewal letter came through my door on the 25th November - just over 2 months before the first game. Sale are advertising their season tickets to go on sale on the 16th April - around 5 months before the first match of next season. If we don't have the resources to handle season ticket sales properly then we should release a player to make it possible.

Quote: Red John "I'm still not convinced that Salford are a badly run club rather than a club run on a shoestring. '"


We all agree we are skint. With that in mind do you not find it frightening that a well resourced, ambitious rival club are moving into our city with the stated intention of 'seizing the North West'?

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