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| Quote TheButcher="TheButcher"I think there's probably elements of truth in both scenarios. Plus there are always outside influences out of the control of the Club such as time and social changes. I think for people to just sit in one camp or the other do so with a bias. For whatever reason.
The Club has gone through ebbs and flows of being run well and badly. Having the right people and the wrong people in certain roles over time. The mobility of communities increasing and the decline of the variety centre have put undoubted pressure on the Clubs finances in the past. Declining crowds and constant yo-yo seasons created a catch-22.
I'm amazed that the Club is still around. That's purely down to Wilky. Could the Club have done things better? Undoubtedly. Did they make poor choices? Absolutely.
To seek blame in this case, is a failure to recognise the evolution and devolution of Sports Clubs over time. Especially those tied into the working class over the last century.
I also don't think that finance is the sole reason that we are picking ourselves up at the moment. It has a large bearing, sure. But new owners and new staff and new ways of doing things also seem to be playing a part. The stuff that MK has chosen to do away from the playing side of things are totally different than during the Wilky era. One look at the open day should leave plenty of optimism that MK and the staff behind the scenes are starting to see a little bit of pay-off from long term commitment off the field.
Will MK make bad decisions? Of course.
That's the ebb and flow of things.'"
I couldn't have put it better myself Butcher. Money is a huge factor in professional sport but I also acknowledge new blood and a fresh approach.
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| Think it's pretty obvious without first Wilky and secondly the Doc we wouldn't have a club right now.
My thanks go to both for providing me one of the loves of my life, I think for most of us we would be poorer without Salford to follow.
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| Quote theredshed="theredshed"In the early 80's when Wilkinson took over the Willows had already been sold by Brian Snape to Greenhalls and the club had no income from the Variety Centre. At the end of the Snape era the rugby club was losing a lot of money and Snape sold the Variety Centre after retiring to the Isle of Man for tax purposes. The Variety Centre wasn't making the kind of profits it was making in the early to mid 1970's and it was sold in late 1970's because the club were in debt. To cut along story short when Brian Snape decided to stop funding the club it became unsustainable.
Don't be offended Mike by how can anyone take your comments seriously when they are totally inaccurate? I suggest you take the time to read a couple of historical Salford rugby books and educate yourself.'"
You will find the comments by Mike 87 to be correct, I know from other sources, quite a few things that also went on
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| Quote scoot="scoot"You will find the comments by Mike 87 to be correct, I know from other sources, quite a few things that also went on'"
Correct or not re hashing this again only causes negativity that doesn't really do anyone any favours and ultimately serves no purpose.
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| Hey Guys I posted on here about an event I thought was very positive for our club with a professionally run well attended event. It's something very positive with lots of people turning out to buy season tickets and 2015 shirts.
Let's publicise it as such and get people talking positive about "Our Club". Let's face it we are the best marketing people to promote what's going with the Club.
There's too much negativity about and we can change it!
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| Quote scoot="scoot"You will find the comments by Mike 87 to be correct, I know from other sources, quite a few things that also went on'"
My grandad was the head doorman on the willows he knew the old Co bosses very well and he said Snape (keith brain's brother, Brian was riddled with cancer and was the reason he gave up as chairman) sold the club to Wilkinson before it was then sold to greenalls all underhand apparently, this was before Wilkinson even took control of the rugby club, and I'm being told to read Salford history books? You do realise half the people who write these books get their info from the club ie Wilkinson tarry and the other clowns, I could write a book saying Wilkinson was the great train robber but it doesn't mean it's true, trust me all the legendary stories you hear about Wilkinson arnt true, oh an another thing the willows lost a lot of money when it lost its gambling licence so had to resort to changing the casino to a restraunt, so it wasn't actually Brian snape who flogged the club it was his snide brother trying to sell off his dying brothers assets for a quick buck.
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| Quote Mike87="Mike87"My grandad was the head doorman on the willows he knew the old Co bosses very well and he said Snape (keith brain's brother, Brian was riddled with cancer and was the reason he gave up as chairman) sold the club to Wilkinson before it was then sold to greenalls all underhand apparently, this was before Wilkinson even took control of the rugby club, and I'm being told to read Salford history books? You do realise half the people who write these books get their info from the club ie Wilkinson tarry and the other clowns, I could write a book saying Wilkinson was the great train robber but it doesn't mean it's true, trust me all the legendary stories you hear about Wilkinson arnt true, oh an another thing the willows lost a lot of money when it lost its gambling licence so had to resort to changing the casino to a restraunt, so it wasn't actually Brian snape who flogged the club it was his snide brother trying to sell off his dying brothers assets for a quick buck.'"
Lets get this right, Wilky bought the club for nothing from a guy that didn't own it, some 17 months before it was official, sold off a huge asset and pocketed the money.
Come on this is bordering on ridiculous.
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| Quote theredshed="theredshed"Lets get this right, Wilky who had a small time welding company (Your words) bought the club for nothing from a guy that didn't own it, some 17 months before it was official, sold off a huge asset and pocketed the money.
I don't think I need to say anymore.
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looks like a typical I'm wrong but ill try and make him look stupid to detract attention.
Yeah he was a small time company at that time he wasn't international then so in international company terms yeah he was small, not white van man small that your making out.
I didn't say for nothing I said for peanuts from Brian Snapes brother who was then owner of the club due to Brian becoming poorly, it was defiantly Wilkinson who sold the club on to greenalls that money was used to expand hid welding firm to the size it is, listen unless you were there don't comment on something you only think you know through reading out of books, and yeah he baught the variety centre first my grandad was called into a meeting about the takeover at the club before Wilkinson took over as chairman, he always disliked Wilkinson and as a kid I never understood why, but after him explaining the underhanded way he took control of the club I now know why, he was a nice guy underneath but that doesn't make him a nice businessman, and that's what you lot have to realise.
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| But does it matter?
Move along.
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| Quote Mike87="Mike87"I'm being told to read Salford history books? You do realise half the people who write these books get their info from the club ie Wilkinson tarry and the other clowns... Another thing the willows lost a lot of money when it lost its gambling licence so had to resort to changing the casino to a restraunt...'"
That’s a good point actually. A couple have been well researched too though.
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