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| I think some people are jumping all over the first opportunity to bash marwan again. I'm not a blind fan of his in fact am not a fan at all, but when you look at the cost of the academy and how many players we produce who actually stay with us, has it been financially worth it?
Personally, id prefer we throw loads of money at the academy and attract the best young kids from Salford, warrington, Wigan etc, but marwan has decided he needs to reign in his spending. That's his prerogative, and if he is reducing outlay on areas which arent giving him anything back then you struggle to argue.
Initially I was as angry about this as anyone else. It's certainly not nice for the young players we do have, and it's not nice to think of today's young kids not having chance to represent salford at that level. But after a night to think about it although still not happy I can see reasons.
But let's here what he has to say.
If you didn't know he's doing a Q&A session on Monday in the club bar, I guess this will be the main talking point!
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| Quote Gadger="Gadger"I think some people are jumping all over the first opportunity to bash marwan again. I'm not a blind fan of his in fact am not a fan at all, but when you look at the cost of the academy and how many players we produce who actually stay with us, has it been financially worth it?
Personally, id prefer we throw loads of money at the academy and attract the best young kids from Salford, warrington, Wigan etc, but marwan has decided he needs to reign in his spending. That's his prerogative, and if he is reducing outlay on areas which arent giving him anything back then you struggle to argue.
Initially I was as angry about this as anyone else. It's certainly not nice for the young players we do have, and it's not nice to think of today's young kids not having chance to represent salford at that level. But after a night to think about it although still not happy I can see reasons.
But let's here what he has to say.
If you didn't know he's doing a Q&A session on Monday in the club bar, I guess this will be the main talking point!'"
I feel the same.
Initially I was upset like everyone else, but in the cold light of day its a decision to help the club become sustainable and will be a short-term negative in hopes that a settled few seasons of 'success' will bring in the required money to restart it properly. It will effect the long term development of local talent though, and so is still a gamble. With more success on the field we will hopefully bring more revenue into the Club both from punters and business.
At the end of the day, we need more people through the turnstiles, and the lack of income has crippled the club. MK can't keep pouring his own money into our sinkhole.
I feel sorry for the current crop of lads caught in the middle, Carvell seems to be doing his best to ensure most of them carry on with other Clubs, and we're still running an academy in the university leagues.
Reality is a bitch sometimes.
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| Quote John Gilbert Reds="John Gilbert Reds"
Our academy has been poorly financed and managed for years. Alan Hunte did a great job in attracting the "best of the rest" from neighbouring towns (Wigan, Saints, Oldham, Warrington etc) that the big teams didn't want. Unfortunately in the process he neglected the talent we had playing within Salford amateur teams and at the end of his spell in charge links with these local clubs were non-existent. '"
The entire sport has been poorly financed and managed for years. You mention that Hunte neglected talent playing with local Salford clubs but surely had this been 'genuine talent' other clubs would have signed and developed them. I'm not defending the club but it seems the blame for lack of local junior talent always seems to be apportioned to Salford Red Devils rather than accepting it's extremely rare to find them, let alone develop them. I'm not saying the local junior lads are poor it's just they haven't had the elite qualities a Superleague club is looking for.
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| The question is can we afford the academy we want: The Dr has had too look at expenditure over the next year of more and like any business person, realised the outgoings had to be cut.
Or walk away.
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| MK as most defiantly divided opinions, however I would suggest the biggest drop in supporters attending as more to do with MK management style & less to do with our club being perennial under achievers.
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| Disagree, we were well down in attendances long before marwan turned up
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| Quote Gadger="Gadger"Disagree, we were well down in attendances long before marwan turned up'"
It makes you wonder what happened to the vast majority of the 7200 that turned up on that cold February afternoon in 2014.
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| Quote Gadger="Gadger"Disagree, we were well down in attendances long before marwan turned up'"
6 points last season taken from the club & the fan base admittedly from just over 4000 went to under 2000 that in my book is one hell of a drop. I do not blame all this on MK, however to say he as not had an affect on the clubs long term supporters I don't buy.
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| Quote theredshed="theredshed"The entire sport has been poorly financed and managed for years. You mention that Hunte neglected talent playing with local Salford clubs but surely had this been 'genuine talent' other clubs would have signed and developed them. I'm not defending the club but it seems the blame for lack of local junior talent always seems to be apportioned to Salford Red Devils rather than accepting it's extremely rare to find them, let alone develop them. I'm not saying the local junior lads are poor it's just they haven't had the elite qualities a Superleague club is looking for.'"
At Bradford the local community clubs had been neglected/ignored for years. The actual number of Bradford lads making it with the Bulls has been minimal over the years usually just the odd one every few years. This year we’ve promoted double figures. The first time that’s ever happened. It is possible at Salford but it requires patience. It doesn’t require a fortune. If we’re managing it on our meagre income outside SL then I can’t understand why MK can’t afford it.
Sounds like he's lost interest to me.
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| Its a different Kettle promoting to a Championship squad than a SL one. My take on this is that Marwan needs the club to run as a business, currently that business's income is too low so either the fans/sponsors come back in sufficient numbers to allow better choices going forward or the clothe must be cut accordingly. A couple of extra players is tangible in keeping a club in SL, without SL the Academies will die anyway. I fully support RFL run regional academies outside the top clubs to stop this happening again
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| Quote Bullseye="Bullseye"At Bradford the local community clubs had been neglected/ignored for years. The actual number of Bradford lads making it with the Bulls has been minimal over the years usually just the odd one every few years. This year we’ve promoted double figures. The first time that’s ever happened. It is possible at Salford but it requires patience. It doesn’t require a fortune. If we’re managing it on our meagre income outside SL then I can’t understand why MK can’t afford it.
Sounds like he's lost interest to me.'"
I don't think he's lost interest, it's more likely he's getting sick of bankrolling the club and not seeing the progress he wants on and off the field. It's pleasing to read how Bradford are developing academy players but I think you have traditionally had a much better catchment area than us.
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| Youth setups don't generally produce immediately. They need years before they bear fruit. You have to bring through talent and it takes time. A 16 year old that signs may take 3-4 years before debut and then a few more before they "make it". You might only get one or two a year so it takes time to build up a side.
Think the Doctor lacked patience in this regard.
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