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Well I got it wrong but only just and Widdup justified Mc Namara dropping Chase. Damn unlucky today but well played England and to all the players who took us to that Semi.

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Think bringing in Widdop was a bit of a Masterstroke, csn only think he is still feeling the effects of the injury from earlier in the season or he'd have been in the starting 17 in other games.

Think England have suffered with not having a geuine creative srum halve, much as I dislike him I think Myler should have been given his chance in this tournament, someone as good at backing up as him would have worked wonders behind such a massive pack.

Chase is too off the cuff for the current England coach, a worry is that Noble might be too regimented for him at Salford, but it's a worry I'll settle for.

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Quote: Marshy1 "Widdop justified McNamara dropping Chase. '"


In the team game I watched England lost.
Strange that you should feel selecting a losing side is justified.
Then I remembered you're a Swinton fan. icon_lol.gif
( Meant in a light-hearted way icon_thumb.gif )

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Quote: Red-Devils-PAW "In the team game I watched England lost.
Strange that you should feel selecting a losing side is justified.
Then I remembered you're a Swinton fan.
Come off it. Even as a Salford fan I immediately realised that the Sinfield/Widdop partnership was a class above the Sinfield/Chase partnership.

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Salford Red Devils RLFC. [quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]:



Steve McNamara was more than justified in his decision to include Gareth Widdop, he had one of the best games I can personally remember from an England stand-off.

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Quote: Mike Ehrmantraut "I immediately realised that the Sinfield/Widdop partnership was a class above the Sinfield/Chase partnership.'"

Quote: Mike Ehrmantraut "Steve McNamara was more than justified in his decision to include Gareth Widdop, he had one of the best games I can personally remember from an England stand-off.'"


Widdop played alongside Sinfield who also happened to have his best international display despite being pilloried for more years than Rangi has had the opportunity to play for this country.
That may have helped,as would the fact that he is paid far more money that Rangi is for his weekly contributions in the NRL.( Salary Cap as mentioned when Leeds lost WCC in February by Dr Koukash ) He has also just come back from a long lay-off.
It did seem as though the NRL players did put in the better of the displays for this country.Perhaps that's what England supporters want - a team full of NRL players.
I don't think the players from the double-winning Wigan side played particularly well and Tonkins hasn't had the impact he does have at club level.Perhaps he may also have been dropped but it seems that an elite level player returned to his club for reasons not fully explained,and that option wasn't available.
The last time GB won the World Cup the side contained players from Salford.
Something for Salford players to work towards over the future years;whether it be for England or GB.

Oh,and by the way England lost.Was McNamara justified to leave a player on the bench - Ablett - when it seems tiredness in the last 2 minutes cost the side the game ?

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Salford Red Devils RLFC. [quote="Gotcha":y7izhg01]Salford won't win Super League in my lifetime. Even saying in jest they would sounds stupid.[/quote:y7izhg01]:



We were discussing McNamara's justification for dropping Rangi Chase in favour or Gareth Widdop, not Carl Abletts contribution. If you think using Ablett would have swayed the result in England's favour then you're wrong. Ablett is a second rower/centre and I didnt see anyone in those positions tiring.

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Quote: John Gilbert Reds "We were discussing McNamara's justification for dropping Rangi Chase in favour or Gareth Widdop, not Carl Abletts contribution. If you think using Ablett would have swayed the result in England's favour then you're wrong.'"


As neither Rangi nor Ablett were used we will never know if their contribution would have swayed the result.
If the head coach for the national side is justified when changing a winning side into a losing side against a team Rangi would have had the most motivation in playing against,then so be it.QED.
I personally hope Rangi is never selected for the national side again and now,with England being so brilliant,(in one game) there will not be any further games,which lack intensity,against France,Wales,and more importantly an Exiles squad.
( Written by someone who has no interest in the national side )

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Quote: Red-Devils-PAW "As neither Rangi nor Ablett were used we will never know if their contribution would have swayed the result.
If the head coach for the national side is justified when changing a winning side into a losing side against a team Rangi would have had the most motivation in playing against,then so be it.QED.
I personally hope Rangi is never selected for the national side again and now,with England being so brilliant,(in one game) there will not be any further games,which lack intensity,against France,Wales,and more importantly an Exiles squad.
( Written by someone who has no interest in the national side )'"


How many posts would you have made if you were interested?

BTW I agree that plenty of others performed in a lack lustre way apart from the NZ game and to some extent the game against Austrailia, so the mood that England improved because McNamara dropped Chase is a little simplistic and can't be fully justified. However, as you know all to well neither can you say with any conviction that the changes made by the coach transformed "a winning side into a losing side" winning and losing to whom is the key and a truer measure of performance and success surely?

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Quote: Red-Devils-PAW "
I personally hope Rangi is never selected for the national side again and now,with England being so brilliant,(in one game) there will not be any further games,which lack intensity,against France,Wales,and more importantly an Exiles squad.
( Written by someone who has no interest in the national side )'"


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Quote: Karlos13 "icon_surprised.gifops:
Just to clarify: I ain't being petty about it ( because Rangi wasn't selected for Saturday.)It would make me feel better if no Salford player represents England and there is no Exile game in the future so none of our imports play in that game.
For reasons different from mine,I believe your fellow Man U followers aren't too keen on the national side.
I am just interested in club rather than country.
I am obviously aware of the pride the players have for representing their country.

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Sorry to repeat but no half-back under 175cm, preferably not under 178.

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Quote: OzWelsh "Sorry to repeat but no half-back under 175cm, preferably not under 178.'"


Like Rob Burrow or maybe those rubbish halfbacks like Alfie langer or Matthew Johns who were both a similar or smaller size to Chase.

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Johns is 175, and Langer is stocky and hard, and did take the line on, but I'm not sure if Langer would get into the NRL now as a halfback, as an interchange nine probably. Would Andy Greg play in the NRL today? Not as a half I doubt.

Anyway, Chase doesn't seem to have the courage to go to the line. I'm not judging him, I don't blame him. It's a flippin tough gig, and I don't think he's a tough guy.

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Quote: OzWelsh "Johns is 175, and Langer is stocky and hard, and did take the line on, but I'm not sure if Langer would get into the NRL now as a halfback, as an interchange nine probably. Would Andy Greg play in the NRL today? Not as a half I doubt.

Anyway, Chase doesn't seem to have the courage to go to the line. I'm not judging him, I don't blame him. It's a flippin tough gig, and I don't think he's a tough guy.'"


Have you seen him play for Cas, if you have and especially the last game against us you realise your post doesn't make sense mate

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