seriously believe that? i bet the majority at the squad are ed off with the players who broke the team discipline rules.

he seriously broke the team discipline rules, Martin gleeson lost his lively hood over it not just a little bonus for playing for england. If anything Marwan should of kept his mouth shut or at least said the robotic thing of "i will have a chat to him when he gets back".

any rugby player can loose his cool and until all the facts come out you should not be speculating what he as done. Or even judge the player also if there were other players involved then you have to ask question of managment why only one kicked out. Also you cant say if thats the case that some other player did not start it. so people should not jump till the facts come out

Think you're right.

A lot of people are very quick to condemn without being in possession of any facts whatsoever.

Christ I hope some on here never get called up for jury service.

It's getting like a witch's trial set them on fire and if they burn they are innocent and if they don't burn kill them because they are guilty.

Just wait until you hear all the facts before judging.

Hocks previous form for being a brainless idiot goes before him here. He may not be on his own in any wrong doing but because of his reputation he needs to be squeeky clean and he can't manage it.

The lad has wasted his career which given his talent, is a crying shame. He should have been a massive weapon for England in this tournament but he's again hit the self destruct button.

I like Salford, if class them as my second team due to family connections and as good as it is to see money being spent, I really worry about the make up of that squad next year. To have so many guys who've had discipline issues in the past like Hock, Smith, Chase and Gleeson is going to end one way for me. Its a tough balancing act though as without those issues, the chances are they wouldn't be at Salford in the first place.

Fingers crossed things work out.

I think if were being honest people have found Hock guilty already based on his quite obvious previous.

The one persons take I would kill to find out on this is Noble as from what you read when he was GB coach he was quite the disciplinarian. I do sometimes wonder if Hock coming was as much the Doc as Noble but there's nothing to support that but my suspicions.

Agreed he was responsible for a number of penalties against italy, i doubt brett ferres will eb in the side though, they will have ologhlin at 13, burgress moving to 2nd row for hock i would think

Even before the kicking out the talk was he or farrell wouldnt be selected anyway in favor of the above

Other players were involved. But only one player failed to turn up for training because of it.

That isn't double standards, it's the way things work. Hock wasn't kicked out for the indiscretion, but the add on to it.

Don't have a problem with team discipline, it is essential. Two things that strike me though, firstly let us wait until we know the facts before commenting on the punishment. Secondly, if I was McNamara and wanted to stamp my authority, Hock is an easy target as everyone is agreeing already he has got what he deserved without knowing the crime. Risk free for McNamara who after all is roundly condemned by all and sundry as not having a clue. Not a bad way to divert attention away from himself.

Does the punishment actually fit the crime or was this a perfect opportunity for McNamara and his coaching team to divert widespread criticism away from themselves following the embarrassing loss to Italy?

An easy target scapegoat or a villain with form?

One down side for me really wanted to see Hock and Gallen fire into each other.

As someone else has said though when you have the option of moving one Burgess into the second row and maybe bringing in another Burgess on the bench it doesn't really weaken the team too much.