If the the reports are true and we needed this reduction in rent to survive beyond this season then that for me again highlights that the men at the top haven't got a clue as we should have never been put in that position in the first place. We need investment badly and without it I honestly hand on heart feel that we won't be in the top flight of RL for much longer.

It's well and good having a reduction in rent, but lets not get our hopes up too much. There is still a long way to go and we're just about keeping our heads above water. Without some serious investment next years squad is going to be a lot weaker than what we have this year because we'll have far less to spend on the squad and we're already probably running on the lowest salary cap which is worrying. PV comments in the press to me confirm this "we will be looking around the globe for value players" to me it translates into "We have no money and will have to get players no body else wants because we don't have a choice"!!! If that's the case then how are we meant to win games and get people through the turnstiles? Meaning we'll yet again have low crowds and no money, I hope to god I'm wrong and we can survive, but the financial messages we're getting out of the press aren't good at all IMO.

I just hope we can carry on playing well this season and keep challenging for the 8 so we can build up some interest and I can try and hold onto some positivity.

You have hit the nail on the head! I think there has been about 3 people at Salford who have dug deep in the past 35 years. Other businessmen have done what they can but the club needs new money and new direction.

Slightly contradictory points. I know it's great fun to point blame but if there's no money left, what are the 'men at the top' supposed to do? Print some??

As for surviving much longer - again, we've only those clueless 'men at the top' to thank that we've hung on this long. Or would you put that down to 'fan power'?

Enough doom mongering anyway - we've got an online shop now, we'll be back in the black in no time!

I think the point being made is that, at some point along the build, negotiations and so on, it seems like we've been shafted. That's not a position we should have been in, but the "men at the top" that have ultimately got us there could be involved with Salford, Peel or the council. Or do you not see a problem in us moving into a stadium with a business plan that we now know was taking us backwards?



Are you only seeing what you want to see when you're reading posts? No one doubts that Wilky and the board have kept us afloat for this long and we're all greatful. But, as has been said and as you've seemingly admitted yourself, we are short on cash. Wilky and the board cannot keep bailing us out forever, so without someone else putting a cash injection into the club, we won't be in Super League forever. That's not at a detriment to those keeping us afloat now but a realistic view that, without someone to carry that on into the future, we're buggered unless the club becomes a self-sufficient business.

Backwards? We were on the brink at the Willows, we're on the brink now.
The only significant difference is that we've got a pretty stadium to be skint in. I'd call it progress. How scary is that!?


A point I've been making for years without taking side-swipes at those currently pulling the strings.

At the Willows we could have survived in the Championship, in my opinion. At Barton we're buggered if we ever drop out. I agree that we needed to move in order to progress, but if we're put straight into the stadium in a position that's putting us under extra and unnecessary strain then it's hardly progression. Again, all my opinion, obviously.



So we do actually agree, then? I am glad. Just because other people have differing opinions about "the men at the top" (not all of those meant by that will be putting anything in financially, I'm sure) doesn't mean they're wrong to agree with us.

The 'men at the top' are there to ensure our future and if what's being reported today is true (I don't know if it is) then 'the men at the top' of which ever organisation it may be; Salford, Peel Holdings or the council has not gone about things in the right way otherwise we wouldn't be in the position of paying too much rent in the first place!!! You can guarantee Sale will have gone about things in the correct manner!

I know John personally and know he's a great man with Salford's best interests at heart, and I will thank him for everything he's done in the past and until this day. I'm in no way shape or form having a go at him for what he's done, but now is the time we need some new blood/fresh investment before it's too late, because the way things are going at the moment we've not got much longer left as a Super League outfit, in fact as Rugby League outfit full stop.

If the club hadn't moved many would be saving the club lacked ambition and would have been furious if the club had lost the SL licence because of it. Devil if you do, devil if you don't.

My view is yes it wouldn't surprise me if it's tough financially right now but at least this stadium gives the club a better platform to attract new support, new sponsors and most critically new investors in the future. I don't think its any coincidence that many of the money men at other clubs jumped on board after clubs got new stadia. I believe it allows them to see more potential in what the new facility offers. Perhaps the timing of the move has been lousy but I live in hope of better days.

Maybe 'the men at the top' have been very shrewd in their business plan? Maybe they knew all along the new stadium wouldn't be viable, I certainly thought so! Maybe they duped the Council and Peel as it appeared they duped the RFL with the original franchise application? Who know's? Now maybe they have delegated all their responsibility elsewhere? We play in a nice pretty little stadium, we have a 3 year franchise and a professional RL club playing in Salford? Isn't that what everyone wanted? What happens from here on in to me doesn't seem all too much doom and gloom, I think it all adds up strangely or not?

I agree with you on both counts. Just because I think we could have survived doesn't mean I think we'd have had much of a future at the same time.

While I try not to worry too much about things I cannot have any influence on/over,(like finances),it does appear that the coaching team have worked within very difficult constraints,as well as dealing with a number of injured first choice players,and have done an outstanding job (in my opinion.)

My worry now is,after the frustration of a player wanting to leave,who they wanted to keep,should the whispers about Bradford come to fruition where Caisley has gone back,and is shortly to be followed by Brian Noble returning in a Director of Rugby role,it may be that they try and tempt the coaching team to that club bearing in mind the number of years Veivers and Noble have been working together.

While I don't expect the club to reply to every rumour on a forum some statement from the club to follow-up what is written in national newspapers and the rugby league press may go some way towards allaying the concerns of supporters.

Could someone from Forever Reds outline the intentions/aspirations/raison d'etre,please ?
Are joining forms available in the club shop ?