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| If Alker is in there then Stuart Littler should be also
Sorry but this is farcical.
A player who writes a book openly critisising the club, drug taker,beats up own team mates, bad influence need I go on.
Someone who can tackle and "gives 100%" is not a Legend.
I know a lot of Salford fans think the sun shines out of Alkers @rse but to make him a Legend
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| The Club have got this totally wrong.Alker is a potential inclusion at some stage but the first is an insult to players who created history at the Club and not just players coaches or even owners.It had to be a Risman,a Charlton or someone of that ilk.
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| Wouldn't class Alker as a legend by any stretch of the imagination, but he was the closest thing we've had in the last 10 years. The votes were made on facebook where a lot of a new fans post, so for that reason it's understandable why he's been voted. I liked alker when he played for us don't get me wrong, but people go a little over the top about him. Certain fans cream themselves as soon as his name is mentioned!!!
This hall of fame thing should be put out to all Salford fans, just getting the votes from facebook isn't a true reflection of club legends!
Thats meant as no disrespect to the work the club do on facebook or indeed the people who voted Alker, but I'll put my house on it no one who's watched Salford for more than 25 years or knows about the history of the club would have voted him in.
Anyway I'll still support it tomorrow.
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| Agreed Ave It! I certainly wasn't around in the Risman or Watkins era but knowing my history of the club I'm obviously aware of the immense contribution both made to our club.
As you say with Alker it could be that for a specific generation he is the closest thing we have had to a Salford legend.
I also don't think you can criticise him for slagging the club in his book, Koukash has done the same thing but has been lauded for it? The club has been a joke for the last 15 years!
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| Quote: Ave It! "........ The votes were made on facebook where a lot of a new fans post, so for that reason it's understandable why he's been voted. .......'"
Now there's a perfect example of why apparent democracy just doesn't work, by putting something like this out to Facebook it has automatically defined the constituency of voters and just like all those wretched "100 best of ...." shows on TV merely delivered a result from the youngest participents who, through no fault of their own, don't know anything else!
Quote: Ave It! ".....I also don't think you can criticise him for slagging the club in his book, Koukash has done the same thing but has been lauded for it? The club has been a joke for the last 15 years!'"
Have you actually read the book?
I think Dr K's critisicism is realistic and fair, Alker's is at best a one-sided view.
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| I have indeed and I felt it was mostly honest and frank and tied into various other accounts past players have discussed with me. Although don't get me wrong their was definitely some degree of sour grapes given the timing and messy nature of his sacking.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "I have indeed and I felt it was mostly honest and frank and tied into various other accounts past players have discussed with me. Although don't get me wrong their was definitely some degree of sour grapes given the timing and messy nature of his sacking.'"
No offence but are you Malcolm's dad??
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| Is it the case that Malcolm Alker has merely been nominated for a place in the Salford Hall of Fame?
I don't know what constitutes the Hall of Fame. If it is to exist there should be certain criteria laid down. I don't know what those need to be but there is a danger of allowing too many people into it so that it becomes meaningless if the people behind the idea are not careful. Much as I admired Malcolm Alker on the field of play, I think there are several more players worthy of consideration.
From the early days, James Lomas and Gus Risman must have outstanding cases for inclusion. My dad brought me up with tales of Bert Day, Jackie Feetham, Albert Gear, Cliff Evans, Barney Hudson, Emlyn Jenkins, Harold Osbaldestin and Billy Williams. I was lucky enough to see Jackie Brennan, David Watkins, Paul Charlton, Chris Hesketh, Maurice Richards, Keith Fielding, Mike Coulman, Colin Dixon and my all time favourite, Ken Gill.
I would suggest all of the above have very good cases for inclusion.
It would be very good to see part of the Stadium displaying pictures of and information about those who are inducted into the Hall of Fame. I hope it happens.
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| There are a few issues here for me.
The most important one being if this is a new venture then the fisrt person in should be someone all ages of fans regard as a legend.
The first name in any Salford Hall of Fame should be someone of the stature of Lance Todd.
Alker probably holds a place as a legend for younger fans because unlike some of us they haven't been lucky enough to watch, Fielding, Watkins, Nash, Coulman, Dixon.
Maybe they should select one from each decade.
It would be great to have a walk of fame leading up to the stadium or just in front of the fans bar/shop.
Alker as first name sends the wrong message for me, but I do think he will have a place at some point.
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| I've thought about this over the past couple of days and sorry Alker shouldn't be the first inductee (if at all).
He has blotted his copy book on this and while he should be universally thanked for his efforts on the pitch I don't think it portrays the right image or message to have an admitted drug taker and off field trouble causer chosen.
I know someone said it tongue in cheek above but does this mean we include Stuart Littler for his years of service? for me not as good a player as Alker but for sure one who could be looked at to be a better nominee and role model type for the next generation of fans.
I think without a doubt David Watkins should be the first pick, great servant to the club, decent guy off the pitch and still with a love of Salford running through him. Pick him, get him down to a game and make a massive song and dance about it.
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| Quote: Bonita Red "No offence but are you Malcolm's dad??'"
Damn, what gave it away?
Fact is since I've been supporting Salford (early 1990's) the only player that comes close to legend status is Alker, as much as I wish I had witnessed the likes of Watkins, Fielding, Gill, Charlton etc in the 70's I didn't.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Damn, what gave it away?
Fact is since I've been supporting Salford (early 1990's) the only player that comes close to legend status is Alker, as much as I wish I had witnessed the likes of Watkins, Fielding, Gill, Charlton etc in the 70's I didn't.'"
The term Legend is banded about too freely when talking about sports people.
Alker for all the hype about him was a hard working hooker nothing more nothing less.
Aaron Moule, Andrew Dunneman Gavin Clinch are just three players from recent history who in their short time at the club had a much more profound effect than Alker ever did.
If Alker is the only Player people can think of to nominate as a Legend from recent times then it goes to show just how $hite we have been.
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| Quote: Prestwich Red "The term Legend is banded about too freely when talking about sports people.
Alker for all the hype about him was a hard working hooker nothing more nothing less.
Aaron Moule, Andrew Dunneman Gavin Clinch are just three players from recent history who in their short time at the club had a much more profound effect than Alker ever did.
If Alker is the only Player people can think of to nominate as a Legend from recent times then it goes to show just how $hite we have been.'"
Wow, I can't help but massively disagree with that very harsh statement. Dont get me wrong Dunneman and Cinch inparticularly did have a big influential effect but to suggest more so than Alker? You'll be telling me Kevin McGuiness deserves it more next!
With regards to your final comment I think that has a lot to do with it. Alker played in probably some of our worst teams ever, nobody else even comes close. Infact the only player I can think of (and i am scraping the barrel) is Andy Coley and his final season with us was a joke.
Ps - I'm starting to sound like Alkers number one fan here...
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "Wow,
Ps - I'm starting to sound like Alkers number one fan here...
No,that was 3 pages back!
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| Reasons for Alker NOT to be in the Hall of Fame:
1. Jacksonville
2. Book
3. Assistant coach
4. Only a good player in some poor teams.
Another reason is that if the voting, as it appears to be, took place on Facebook it excluded a great number of people. Unless we live in a dictatorship then let there be a democratic process.If the Good Doctor reads the Turkey Forum I would hope he will stop this embarrassment for the club.
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