If you backed Salford +24 for £10 then yes you would win, IF they don't lose by 23 or more, losing by 24 exactly would equal the draw, although I'm not sure the bet is for BIG punters like you? For a £10 stake you would return £19.09

10 x 21 (10/11) divided by 11

The popular bets on these odds are £55 to return £105 or £110 to return £210, I would say most people back the team given the handicap thus Hudds to win by 25 or more!

Cheers for that although now my brain hurts... Think I'll stick to psychology.

Yeah! Got it. In effect, the bookies predict we're gonna get beaten by more than 24 points and are happy to give is that amount of points as a head start. A means of evening up the contest in terms of betting. Got it... Surely we won't get beat by that many?

Cheers for the explanation.

I often see the Demmys around Salford. You can tell it's them from the personalised number plates on their Bentley/Roller (one's got a Bentley, one's got a Roller).

I often walk past the bookies near us, and none of the people in there look like they've ever been within 100 yards of a Bentley/Roller with personalised number plate, nor ever will be.

The bookies know what they're doing.

Red Preacher, the simplest was to understand those odds is that if you put £11 on Salford +24, and the bet wins (i.e. Salford lose by less than 24), you'll win £10 and get your stake back.

Precisely why I never gamble. My interest stems from an essay I wrote yesterday that included the 'gambler's fallacy.' That and there's a Billy Hill's across the road from my new house. Indeed, as you say, no Bentley or Roller drivers in there this morning.

Used to play golf with Jim Ramsbottom occasionally years ago and he always used to say it was good I didn't gamble and that he was the only person to walk out of his places rich. Think the big flash Roller and private reg plate of BAC IT give him away slightly

Actually the bookies don't have to know what they are doing, or have priced things correctly. They merely need to have a balanced book so that whatever happens they take the edge.

There are times when the bookies don't appear to have priced things correctly, which is where the punter with a bit more knowledge can get an edge over the long-term.

In fact what the punter needs is not exactly more knowledge than the bookie, but more knowledge than the average punter. This is where betting on obscure games or on sports/teams where you have a very decent edge on the market is the way to go.

It still only gives you an edge though..and you'll need to bet over the long-term and win to prove that you really have the edge..

I'd be interested to read that. Theres also a fantastic book called 'Loaded Dice' The true story of a casino cheat, author John Soares thats well worth a read for anyone wishing to see how somebody well and truely got one over on the Casino's of Nevada during the 60's and 70's.

FWIW all bookmakers are TOXIC.

At least give it a go salford , clean with 100% effort. No one thinks we will win, so just give it a go and be confident because if we dont we will be 50+ points down

I can believe that you didn't understand the gambling aspect, but the above is just crazy talk?!

Well, I'll let my leturer have a read first. If it's upto standard I'll fix you up with a copy.
'Loaded Dice' sounds interesting. Could do with all the reading material I can get for my next holiday. A month of trains and city breaks around Europe.

You at the game tonight? If so you can borrow it.