Great post DR, some real good points there.

It seems to me at present the football side of our organisation is in a real mess at present so who is to blame? How high up the chain do you cut, we at salford run on a tight budget and our bean counters do a marvelous job balancing our finances, we are expanding our development into new areas of the field so that's a good thing

The director of football must be the man who carrys the can regarding the football department The CE looks down apon high at the whole organisations.

I'm not saying ss must go, he has signed some quality but he has signed some errors, we will never know how good of a director of football he is till we get something to compare him too.

I've been trying to say more or less the same thing for ages, maybe not putting it quite as eloquently as that though!!

First class post!!

Good post by The Butcher. As a die hard fan myself for over 50 years I am finding it harder and harder to motivate myself to go to the games. I actually had more motivation when we were in the championship league.

While we may never be the best in super league I look at clubs like Castleford for instance who have come on in leaps and bounds over the last couple of season whereas we just havent changed at all. We may be a professional rugby club but I feel we are still being run as an amateur club. I cannot imagine he likes of Wigan, St Helens etc letting all what is going on behind the scenes at our club carry on without dealing with it quickly and finally.

I am not asking for miracles just a well run club with strong leadership so that people will know and understand that this sort of lack of professionalism will not be tolerated both from players coaches and office staff.

Sad but true. I'm one of them...

Has anyone read the franchise summary? WILL have avg crowds of 8,500 going to 12,000 - WILL be one of the top teams in super league within 3 years etc etc. All this from a man managing a mad house. Perhaps Salford have started to look so far into the future that they cannot see what is happening in front of them.

I've read post after post, paragraph after paragraph and point after point over the past few weeks on this forum. Everyone is finger pointing, analysing, over analysing where the club is failing to improve and my conclusion to the problem is very simple . . the club is underfunded to compete with the majority of SL clubs. All the talk about the wrong choice of coaches, when Salford had money and last won the league in 1976 Donald Duck could have coached that team to win the championship! Why did McRae win the Championship with Salford in 2008? He wasn't neccessarily the best coach he simply had the best squad of players in that league.

I've read the comparisons with Castleford but they have bigger gates than us and spend more on their playing squad. As for our squad I don't think the club has spent as much as some of the fans think compared to last year.

What this club lacks more than anything is new money from new investers. Our only hope for the future is if a wealthy knight in shining armour rides into the boardroom when were at Barton. Let's not forget this club has lived beyond it's means for many years because a few board members have bank rolled it. However, my guess is this charity hasn't been as forthcoming in the economic climate of the past three years.

Here's the crux - even in it's most eloquent and well constructed form, all I'm still reading is a list of problems and assumed scapegoats.

The only 'solutions' offered are that 'we need to fix the problems'... Bravo.

Sack the Directors.
Sack the Coaches.
Sack the Marketing Dept.
Sack the Conditioners.

Then?

I'm trying to put all off field issues out of my mind. I'll never know what's going on and it's a waste of time trying to.

I am grateful we are a superleague club when so many others have fallen by the wayside, I am grateful that every so often we realise our potential, play some great rugby and have a win to savour.

I am grateful to watch my rugby at the Willows, surrounded by knowledgeble and loyal fans who LOVE this club.

I am going on Saturday still believing we can beat Bradford and I can return home happy.

If things go tits up....................well there's always next week!

It's a good long while since we've had a 'Tarry out' thread on here!

Nice work young Michael.

Best post on these forums I've ever seen without a shadow of a doubt Mike, my feelings exactly and one of the reasons why I have become so fed up, nothing ever changes. The club needs a huge clear out especially of the people who run it I could go on forever of the shoddy experiences that I and others have had from certain departments and obviously some of the issues that Mike mentioned that stick out in the past the problem is finding people to come on board and be committed to turning this club around as we move into the new stadium and a new era because its no good moving to Barton and still having the same issues because the crowds will never rise, we have the players in place well a core we can build around to take us forward on the field but with the same old problems it will affect the team and people will not want to sign for a farce.