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Quote: tall red "Disagree with you there gt, and im sick to death of these people who are so up there own as**s that they dont know a good game of rugby and say its our falt that we didnt win , if you thought that salford went to sleep in the second half then you need to stay out the willows club or not drink so much, because after most of our games you have chatted some sh*t and usualy i just laugh at your post , but man if you thought that bentham was ok last night then you realy are the prat i think you are. lol
Did I say it wasn't a good game of rugby? No, I didn't, it was a good game of rugby, very enjoyable aside from the final outcome. As for saying it's our fault we didn't win... We were 14-0 up and in control. And then, suddenly, we looked like a different team. We made mistakes. We took our foot off the pedal. We let Catalans back into it. I'm not saying Bentham was perfect, what I am saying is that you cannot blame them for Salford giving away a 14 point lead. Someone else has already been on this very forum and said that he's seen the game again - and that a lot of the decisions were actually spot on. I've not seen it again myself, so can't comment directly, but it just goes to show how opinion will differ depending on who you support.

Finally, if you find my posts laughable, think I talk sh*t and that I'm a 'prat', then fine. I won't lose any sleep over it. I like to think I give a constructive, unbiased opinion on our performances. And that includes being able to say "we should have won, we didn't, that's our fault, nobody else's." If you'd rather read the other reactionary, one-eyed bullsh*t that flows on here after games (which also seems to fit in with your poorly constructed posts) then feel free, go ahead.

The fact that you've come to the conclusion that I don't know a good game of rugby when I see one speaks volumes.

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Quote: GT "Did I say it wasn't a good game of rugby? No, I didn't, it was a good game of rugby, very enjoyable aside from the final outcome. As for saying it's our fault we didn't win... We were 14-0 up and in control. And then, suddenly, we looked like a different team. We made mistakes. We took our foot off the pedal. We let Catalans back into it. I'm not saying Bentham was perfect, what I am saying is that you cannot blame them for Salford giving away a 14 point lead. Someone else has already been on this very forum and said that he's seen the game again - and that a lot of the decisions were actually spot on. I've not seen it again myself, so can't comment directly, but it just goes to show how opinion will differ depending on who you support.

Finally, if you find my posts laughable, think I talk sh*t and that I'm a 'prat', then fine. I won't lose any sleep over it. I like to think I give a constructive, unbiased opinion on our performances. And that includes being able to say "we should have won, we didn't, that's our fault, nobody else's." If you'd rather read the other reactionary, one-eyed bullsh*t that flows on here after games (which also seems to fit in with your poorly constructed posts) then feel free, go ahead.

The fact that you've come to the conclusion that I don't know a good game of rugby when I see one speaks volumes.'"


My poorly constructive posts ......... ok lol icon_surprised.gifops: yes we should have won, but we didnt, but if you thought that we fell asleep in the second half then i stand by my first post, as you clearly wasnt watching the second half of the game, the effort was there but the ref made some realy poor decisions witch didnt allow for the game to flow as it did in the first half, so what makes you think that salford fell asleep in the second half, dont just say they fell asleep and leave it at that give us your assesment of the second half ? might make interesting reading icon_eek.gif As for someone said that they watched the game again so it must be true the ref was fair icon_eek.gif dig deeper my friend.

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Quote: GT "I am serious. The fact that we went to sleep in the second half and Catalans woke up meant we lost the game. Nothing else. And I'm sick to f*cking death of coming on here after defeats and hearing people whinging about the officials and blaming them for the result. We need to look at our own players' performance and attitude above anything else.'"


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How did we fall asleep? We made mistakes. We didn't put Catalans under any pressure once we were in such a good position. We didn't show the cutting edge we had in the first half. We couldn't get the ball towards their try line. Some of their tries were far too easy, the defence went walkabout on a few occasions. Flat passes. Passes to the ground. Dropping the ball. Not running onto the ball. Being far too slow at the play the ball... Or is all of that the referee's fault? And, of course, we've not touched on the fact that Catalans seemed a completely different side in the second half. They came out looking much, much better and we couldn't cope.

As for someone else saying they watched the game again... My point is that said person wasn't a Salford fan and they had a different viewpoint about the ref - the team you support and whether you've got anything riding on the game or not can affect your view of the officials' performance. It's also very easy to not see what your team's done wrong when you're at the ground and then, later on, when seeing it again, realise the decision was right.

Now, I'm not saying Bentham had a perfect game, far from it. He had me scratching my head on many an occasion. But to blame him for the defeat? Give over. In fact, someone next to me last night said he thought the referee was f*cking useless, but wasn't blaming him for the result. In fact no one around me was blaming the referee and could see that we'd let ourselves down. Again.

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Fine. I'll leave you and everyone else to blame the referees for us being down near the bottom of the table, shall I?

Yeah, I'll keep digging. Apparently.

EDIT - One final thought. Was anybody complaining this much about Bentham when we were winning comfortably? Thought not.

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Quote: GT " We couldn't get the ball towards their try line. Some of their tries were far too eaHow did we fall asleep? We made mistakes. We didn't put Catalans under any pressure once we were in such a good position. We didn't show the cutting edge we had in the first half.sy, the defence went walkabout on a few occasions. Or is all of that the referee's fault? And, of course, we've not touched on the fact that Catalans seemed a completely different side in the second half. They came out looking much, much better and we couldn't cope.

As for someone else saying they watched the game again... My point is that said person wasn't a Salford fan and they had a different viewpoint about the ref - the team you support and whether you've got anything riding on the game or not can affect your view of the officials' performance. It's also very easy to not see what your team's done wrong when you're at the ground and then, later on, when seeing it again, realise the decision was right.

Now, I'm not saying Bentham had a perfect game, far from it. He had me scratching my head on many an occasion. But to blame him for the defeat? Give over. In fact, someone next to me last night said he thought the referee was f*cking useless, but wasn't blaming him for the result. In fact no one around me was blaming the referee and could see that we'd let ourselves down. Again.

But yeah, I'll keep digging. Apparently.'"


GT we couldnt get the ball in the second half because the ref never aloud us to, so how could we play the same style of rugby in the second half as we did in the first ? I have never been one to say the ref lost us that game before when others have said he did, but last night that was the case, yes the french were stronger in the second half but helped by the poor desisions from the ref so why would you say salford fell asleep ? they tried as hard in the second half as they did in the first.
As for the guy who watched the game AGAIN has he put it ,was he there and thought i must watch that game again to see if the decisions were right, would love to know how he got the game so fast as i cant get a copy untill monday icon_lol.gif Dont know where you stood in the ground but every body around me said the ref lost us that game, maybe i need to stand where you are standing and you stand where im standing then maybe we will both have a diffrent view of the game and once again we can disagree icon_wink.gif

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We couldn't get the ball because we were slow, because we couldn't pass properly, because we can never run at other teams effectively... I could go on, but I'm just going around in circles. I'm presuming you stand in the Shed? It's no wonder everyone around you was blaming the ref, they always do in there. icon_wink.gif

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Quote: GT "How did we fall asleep? We made mistakes. We didn't put Catalans under any pressure once we were in such a good position. We didn't show the cutting edge we had in the first half. We couldn't get the ball towards their try line. Some of their tries were far too easy, the defence went walkabout on a few occasions. Flat passes. Passes to the ground. Dropping the ball. Not running onto the ball. Being far too slow at the play the ball... Or is all of that the referee's fault? And, of course, we've not touched on the fact that Catalans seemed a completely different side in the second half. They came out looking much, much better and we couldn't cope.

As for someone else saying they watched the game again... My point is that said person wasn't a Salford fan and they had a different viewpoint about the ref - the team you support and whether you've got anything riding on the game or not can affect your view of the officials' performance. It's also very easy to not see what your team's done wrong when you're at the ground and then, later on, when seeing it again, realise the decision was right.

Now, I'm not saying Bentham had a perfect game, far from it. He had me scratching my head on many an occasion. But to blame him for the defeat? Give over. In fact, someone next to me last night said he thought the referee was f*cking useless, but wasn't blaming him for the result. In fact no one around me was blaming the referee and could see that we'd let ourselves down. Again.



Fine. I'll leave you and everyone else to blame the referees for us being down near the bottom of the table, shall I?

Yeah, I'll keep digging. Apparently.

EDIT - One final thought. Was anybody complaining this much about Bentham when we were winning comfortably? Thought not.'"


But gt i was and so was a few others, but he had a worst second half , witch help t catalans and yes they came out a stronger team but helped by the ref.
As for us beein neer the bottom of the table is not the refs fault, who said it was ? this is salford were watching mate and dont expect mirracles, most of the games we have lost is down to lack of effort and skill , but not last night icon_cool.gif

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Quote: GT "We couldn't get the ball because we were slow, because we couldn't pass properly, because we can never run at other teams effectively... I could go on, but I'm just going around in circles. I'm presuming you stand in the Shed? It's no wonder everyone around you was blaming the ref, they always do in there. icon_wink.gif never known so many people to get it wrong have you.
Well infact no i wasnt in the shed last night, stand in there nearrly every home game for the last 20 years , but last night i brought the family and stood on the corner near the club shop ( the one in the ground ) but they are realy bad at blaming the ref in the shed aint they icon_biggrin.gif tut tut tut

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Quote: neil72 "I totally agree with that we dont perform for 80 minutes fact an official gives penalties for what he sees and are disapline is poor the team and coach only have them selves to blame a good team would move on at 12 nil up and go on and win the game we do th opposite'"


The refs always right is he ?

I used to laugh at your post but even more so now, thought you wernt goin any more games lol icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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The players were gutted they really put the effort in. The shed responded by staying and clapping them off. One of those nights again.

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The refferee did not score the trys we so poorly defended yes the ref made disitions but we had a good lead and as usual dont no how to hold on or even go on to win a game that was still the for the taking that makes it a team and coach problem not a refs fault for us making silly errors and poor tackling. and playing one out rugby as we have seen vertully all season as been proven time and time again dont win you games. The team should take the blame not the ref. he as an hard enough job as it is. are club just has no idea how to win a game

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Quote: neil72 "The refferee did not score the trys we so poorly defended yes the ref made disitions but we had a good lead and as usual dont no how to hold on or even go on to win a game that was still the for the taking that makes it a team and coach problem not a refs fault for us making silly errors and poor tackling. and playing one out rugby as we have seen vertully all season as been proven time and time again dont win you games. The team should take the blame not the ref. he as an hard enough job as it is. are club just has no idea how to win a game'"


Ah we dont know how to win a game icon_rolleyes.gif ? dont talk sh*t , thought you want goin no more games ? the club is crap blah blah blah you watched them since you was a boy yeah yeah , we know......... lol

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Quote: GT "The officials had f*ck all to do with the outcome of the game.'"


I dont want to get drawn into your little battle with tall red GT, but catalans getting repeat sets from decitions made by the referee made us use up more energy defending. We ran out of gas in the end because we were physically and mentally knackered after all that defending because we kept getting penalised even with the ball.

We all know your chief defender of referees but you must find it hard sometimes like friday?

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Quote: tall red "As for the guy who watched the game AGAIN has he put it ,was he there and thought i must watch that game again to see if the decisions were right, would love to know how he got the game so fast as i cant get a copy untill monday
As the guy in question does work with the Dragons then I would say it's safe to assume that yes he was at the game & yes he will have quicker access to the game video than most.

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There may have been some unusual decisions from Bentham buts its not the referee that makes the tackles, its also the referee that doesnt miss the tackles or drop balls.

It just a poor 2nd half from Salford

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