I agree with a lot what you say (metsmagic) about the state of the club and from my own dealings with the club conclude that we are not doing the things we need to do, that is until we get to the stadium. The problem is that we have been waiting for a new dawn at this stadium for how many seasons, 10?

As to the season ticket, i have gone for 25yrs and am considering not getting a new one, my father who has watched the club since the early 50s is exactly the same, my brother has stated he will not renew, neither will his daughter and that is the same for my mother.

I realise that ]Sycophfans ] will tell me they dont need supporters like my family or we are not proper fans. To them i say wake up because it takes more guts for a fan to say "no" im not going than to blindly go and ignore all that is wrong and find excuses.

However i am sure metsmagic that you will get a lot of repsonses saying how the directors are gr8 and nice people and its not their fault the team is poor and they deserve success and all the other well trodden excuses.

All i will say is the current regime has been at the club since 1981/82 in that time 12 coaches, no major trophies, plenty of relegations, Trish leaving suddenly when she was doing a good job, a coach on a four year contract that they couldnt pay up if they sack him, no investment, but on the positive the chairman has got an OBE, nearly got his hotel in the park at a gr8 price and every1 says he is a nice bloke (which he is) but to be honest im more concern about Salford.

Sorry if I repeat myself but me and The Butcher were discussing this "low ebb" just this morning.

Now maybe it's just because I haven't seen the Reds yet this season (I live 600 miles away and health has been a bit of an issue) but I think we may be trying to run before we can walk. I'm not saying I'm right, it's just a possibilty.

This inaugral season with the franchise was ALWAYS going to be very different, and so it has proved, not just for our club but (reading the message boards) fo all the teams whether they be established team or new entrants such as ourselves.

Just cast your mind back to the old days and I bet with the same set-up as we've got now and battling away to avoid the drop most of the (real) fans would be getting right behind the lads : to a man!

It's the way it's always been with the Reds. I'll tell you what mate: I wouldn't want to play at Warrington with their (not all) fans behind them one week and calling for changes including players and coaching staff changes the next.

We're not "fair weather " fans either. The times I've driven home and said in the heat of the moment ..."never again". Where was I a week later? where real fans go .....The Willows.

I really think that as hard as it seems at the moment we should be trying to support the lads through what must have been a really unsetling period for them.

I won't forget seeing Lee Briers raising his hands and clapping The Reds fans as he left the field after we had pipped them by a point after a big half time lead. The Wire players in contrast were being booed off the field " by their own supporters.

Let's not get to that stage yet.

I know where a lot of the lads are coming from at present: but< I think we should try to get things into a proper perspective.

All the best to you all.

BD

Good post & I think many fans going week in, home & away feel the same, you already might be a member of forever reds if not you need to join. I think now more than ever we need to galvanise our core fans to get involved & send a clear message to the board that we need to start seeing some progress.
I think the board need to know some of the frustration being shown by supporters & the fact that it is boiling over is due in part to the lack of progress with the new stadium & I think this is now fuelling the ill feelings & lack of tolerance our great supporters have always shown.
Do we really think Myler & Turner would be contenplating moving from Salford if the stadium was in progress, I think not.

What cocerns me is the club does not seem intrested in anything anymore and this is pushing the fans away its about time they came out and told the fans the truth or yety again as i expect that we are all going to be let down. and at the end of my season ticket i aint wasteing any more money as club dont seem bothered about fans or the club. And this depresses me and i have no lost intrest in the club.

HEAR HEAR the club just dont seem intrested in there fans these days.But as per usual we will all be there week in week out

I think that sooner rather than later some of the concerns of the fans will have to be addressed.

As Shirley says: "Forever Reds meetings may be the way forward in communication both ways.

At least TheClub can't be accused of not answering questions.

I don't think that I can ever remember such down in the mouth comments and general dissatisfaction on our board for years.

As I said in an earlier post that some of us maybe were expecting too much too soon.

It has been a really strange season so far with results hardly ever being predictable and I suspect there are a lot of unhappy fans at some of the so called "top clubs".

I just think we need to "galvanise" (a good word from one of our lads previously) behind the team coaching staff and officials at The Club.

If we do "our bit" by continuing to be the loyal fans that we always have been in the past and supporting The Club at this difficult transition period, then at least if things go wrong we can all put our hands on our hearts and say"we id our bit".

ATB
BD.

I think some people need to get things in a little more perspective. Ok so we're not pushing for any honours this year but think about were we ever going to? We're in our first season back in SL, we have a very inexperienced squad at this level when you consider how many SL games this squad has played between them, not many. Much of the squad are very young and will (If we can get to keep them) get much, much better as the talent is clear for all to see and at times this season they have excelled. Even our overseas contingent were going to take time to settle, granted one more than the rest )

I'm not wearing my rose tinted ones, I'm simply a realist and if I'm honest I've seen us much, much worse than this a few times in my life.

Finally to sum things up, we think we've got problems, Bradford spend around ½ million more than us and they are only one point ahead of us with a worse defensive record (I bet you didn't expect to be reading that at the start of the season ), Hull FC are having a shocker with the calibre of players they have. Leigh are third bottom of NL1, Swinton we're beaten at the weekend by Blackpool....at home,, so cheer up a bit you miserable gits!

Butchers Dad & KOTS - thank god for some sense on here! (and for stringing more than two sentences together that actually make sense).

This season we have exceeded most pundits expectations (Gary Scofield included) - but we are a long long way from being world beaters and yes some of our games have been poor and the tactics employed debatable.

The stadium is IMHO the biggest disappointment of all - but down to a series of events entirely outside the control of the board, Salford Council or Peel Holdings - just in case anyone missed it there has been a global banking and finance crisis and funding for ANY capital projects is rather hard to come by.

The question everyone should be asking (and I'm sure the board are) is how does Salford RLFC keep going as a business, as a sporting club and as an asset to the community - I'm afraid I don't have any answers other than to go on offering my support, buying my season ticket, turning up and being a member of Forever Reds. It would be quite entertaining if those casting the brickbats at the club, the board, the coaching staff and the other fans could perhaps enlighten us as to exactly how, with the finances available they would miraculously change things to lead us into our brave new world?

AT LAST !!!!!!!!! SOME FANS BEING REALISTIC whoopido

I was thinking about this today, the begining of the season we were awful, reaily bad, turnin over loads of ball, shockin defence falling apart getting run around, failing to entertain and failing to deal with super league.

Now we are competing week in week out in super league, we arnt winning every week but this team is learning to play in the pressure cooker matches, its still not fun entertainment but we are staying in the contest as long as we can every game. if we continue to develop we will turn the corner and be more successful in our win lose ratio which is important, staying with and passing bradford would be a great success.
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We wanted a franchise, we got one. We wanted a competitive team, (not league winning, not embarrassing) we got one. We wanted young British lads in our team; you see where I'm going with this?? Add to this the free home shirt/away shirt/whatever was in stock at the time and I personally don't feel cheated by the club at all.
I support Salford and attend matches because I choose to, simple as that, and I'm not arrogant enough to think that the club owe me anything or need to be 'interested in their fans'. As long as there is a team running out to represent Salford I will be going because I enjoy rugby league and love Salford, not because of some misguided (presumably American) notion that supporting a club is a two way street and I'm owed something from the club.
Although the doom MONGers keep complaining that the club is keeping them in the dark about the stadium (bless), I'm fairly confident that behind the scenes that JW and the rest are working their hardest to get it done. I really don't get all the negativity on here recently, have the school holidays started yet??

Well done all above. The raised expectations after Hull, Huddersfield and Leeds have naturally led to deflation - but this is normal. It always feels like this when what you expect is not what you get. (Ask most married couples!)

Compare us to Oldham or Rochdale.
Both could be sleeping giants but are likely to be dead. Swinton is dependant on one or two people. We are in a far better shape.

If it means NL - then I hope to be still stood watching Salford. Yes I'm not confident about our future but compared to what I did expect this season - apart from the ground, I'm fine.

Like a few people I’ve come away and said after some poor performances this season that I’ve had enough and I’m not going again. This said come the day of the match I just can’t help but change my mind. Take the Saints game a couple of weeks ago, I honestly thought we would get hammered to the point of humiliation and I know a few supporters who didn’t go for this reason and really regretted it afterwards.

Personally on the playing front I think the season has gone a little better than expected and the underlying problem for supporters is the stadium. I can imagine that many supporters feel that the delays are hindering our progress to become a bigger and more successful club. The growing frustration supporters are feeling is causing persistent negativity and criticism throughout all areas within the club.
It’s human nature that when we get promised something we expect it. The continual delays are causing some supporters to question the sincerity of the club and have become sceptical about whether a new ground will ever materialise.

On a positive there was hugely significant development last week that’s taken 5-6 years, The Port Salford planning approval that I personally believe is integral to Peel financing and building the new stadium.