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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "Sorry, but you are believing something you have heard second-hand that is meant to have come from a coach we sacked!!!!
If we can't afford Chase's wages we would have accepted any offer for him!'"
No sorry you will hold out for the best price.
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| Quote: nottinghamtiger "Firstly, Cas don't need to get Chase's wages off the wage bill. He is our only 'big' earner (other then Shenton but even he isn't near the salary that Chase is on).
Secondly, Chase may be offered a contract by Salford that is lower than his current one at Cas! Cas can afford to pay Chase a massive salary and stay under the salary cap because we have no other big earners! If Koukash intends to bring in a team of high-quality players (which I believe he does) then he cannot spunk such as massive wage on one player as you'll end up with poor players in other areas (or a squad of 10 players!)
As much as I think Rangi is a great player, he is not worth compromising the possibility of building an all-round team.'"
There is no way Chase will move for less money than he earns now.Lets get realistic.
Salford have a lot of young academy players who have been making their way into the first team this year.Their wage bill when around 10 players are released at the end of the season will leave them with a lot of cap to play with.
As has been said in another thread,Morley will be on peanuts next year but the following year will be earning a fortune in his ambassador/coach role.
Always makes me laugh when people start throwing these comments around about how will we fit all these players in and keep under the cap.Maybe you should go on the Wigan,Warrington,Hull FC,Saints,Leeds and Huddersfield Forums and ask them how they do it with their star packed squads.They obviously have a lot more experience in that department then we do.
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| Quote: Early Bath "Yes I do. See my point re a Golden Hello for a Top Aussie/New Zealander. Plenty of fish in the sea.'"
You say 100k I say 200k lets see what happens ay? But if the Doc isn't willing to shed out 200k on a player like Chase then in fail to see see how he thinks were going to challenge the like of Wigan or Warrington who are proven big money spenders.
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| Quote: Michigan red "? Don't follow sorry!'"
He was a very famous Clown.
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| Quote: JobsForTheWives " Always makes me laugh when people start throwing these comments around about how will we fit all these players in and keep under the cap.Maybe you should go on the Wigan,Warrington,Hull FC,Saints,Leeds and Huddersfield Forums and ask them how they do it with their star packed squads.They obviously have a lot more experience in that department then we do.'"
But they don't have anyone on the same money as Chase either (apart from Tomkins but as he plays for Wigan some of his wage is not counted!).
I'm not saying it won't happen, but that there are lots of issues and barriers to be overcome.
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| Quote: red eyes "He was a very famous Clown.'"
That famous I've never heard of him.
On the subject at hand I'd suspect deep down the Cas board want to make the most they can from a very valuable asset while they are able. They can keep hom on the books for a further two years and watch him walk into most NRL teams scott free and they make nothing. I seriously think there is lots of sable rattling for the benefit of the fans (quite rightly I might add) when the Cas board knows that the Doc will go in with another offer and then another until it gets too much for them to say no too.
i still also say that I'd think there is offers of players + cash that would help both teams out.
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| Quote: the flying biscuit "And you go and offer £60k for him.........
If your ambitious, If you've got Money If he's the Second best player in the league and if you dont want to continually be the ridiculed, Or have Dr Koukash have pot shots taken at him, offer Castleford a hundred grand and stop messing about.......
recently koukash has commented on signings that are "almost over the line" or a "done deal" but not mentioned "out of respect to their current club".
this signing appears to be neither as its not near the line and you arent showing Cas any respect.....'"
This ^^^
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| Quote: BartonFlyer "I wonder who Cas' bankers are, whether Cas have an overdraft and how their bankers view the prospect of a significant reduction in that overdraft (if indeed they have one - any accountants on here seen the last published figures?)
To me, if I were negotiating then the crucial point is that Cas own a depreciating asset. Yes, Rangi Chase is good, undeniable, is he the single factor that will turn Salford's fortunes around? I don't think so, he's another pawn on the board, will it be a disaster if we don't sign him? No, of course not.
So I'd say the ball is firmly in Cas' court - somewhere there's a deal, I wonder if the parties will find out just where?'"
Put your banker hat back on and look at this:
If you know that the person with the overdraft has an asset that is making money and is making it easier for them to meet their obligations then surely you'll want that club to retain that asset as long as possible to generate as much as possible.
The figure of £60k (if true) is scandalous and I'd tell Koukash to stick it and come back when he's willing to multiply it at least another 4 times minimum. We sold Westerman for £175k and Chase is a much more significant player.
Cas know that Salford claim to have the dosh so they can keep holding out. If the good Doc wants to go elsewhere then ta-ra. However, if he really wants Rangi it's time to put up and shut up. He went for Dobson first so I wonder if he may try his look on someone else first like Tim Smith or Danny Brough.
We have absolutely no reason to sell and our commercial staff are doing a grand job now to raise our income and we're on the way to making ourselves self-sufficient. People saying £100k are having delusions of grandeur. That would be peanuts for a player of his calibre and there's no reason Cas would sell.
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| Quote: Fully "Put your [sizebanker[/size hat back on and look at this
First time I've heard it called that Fully.
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| Can anyone point a link to this 60k offer? Reading back a few pages suggests the figure was just made up by a Salford poster as a bit of a windup.
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| Quote: Fully "Put your banker hat back on and look at this
Dearie me. According to your own fans Cas are losing £6k a week. Thats over the whole year and there is no income from gates for 4 months of the year.
Also and maybe more importantly - Players are NOT assets. Never have been and accountants do not include them as assets in the Balance Sheet. Looking at your Balance Sheet the club is insolvent cash wise and to pay all liabilities the ground will have to be sold. True - there would be a surplus when that is done but surely you would prefer to stand on your own two feet without having to sell the ground.
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| I think Cas fans think they have a more valuable asset than they actually have. I think he will end up going for about 150k, I don't see how he can be valued at anywhere from 250k to 350k,we are not talking about Benji Marshall.Granted he can be exceptional in games,he can also pass to the linesman in games as well,not to mention his tendency for the odd shoulder into opposing players head.
I think the Dr is in a very good position at the moment,put a low ish offer in to test the water
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| Quote: Early Bath "Dearie me. According to your own fans Cas are losing £6k a week. Thats over the whole year and there is no income from gates for 4 months of the year.
Also and maybe more importantly - Players are NOT assets. Never have been and accountants do not include them as assets in the Balance Sheet. Looking at your Balance Sheet the club is insolvent cash wise and to pay all liabilities the ground will have to be sold. True - there would be a surplus when that is done but surely you would prefer to stand on your own two feet without having to sell the ground.'"
Perhaps you should do your own research and realise that we do not owe money to outside companies. HMRC payments are up to date. The money that we owe is to our owner, Jack Fulton, who has loaned us money.
We pay our bills when they come. We don't spend it on things like players we can't afford. We have no need to sell the ground.
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| Fully - So Mr Fulton is not a creditor then? Has he transferred his loan into a gift? If so then Cas are solvent. If not then Cas are insolvent. Mr Fulton is no longer a young man so I would be surprised if the club hasnt made provisions as his family may just not be so philanthropic.
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| Quote: Fully "Perhaps you should do your own research and realise that we do not owe money to outside companies. HMRC payments are up to date. The money that we owe is to our owner, Jack Fulton, who has loaned us money.
We pay our bills when they come. We don't spend it on things like players we can't afford. We have no need to sell the ground.'"
Dont talk about paying their bills. They will come out in a rash . Maybe the doc should concentrate on paying Salfords debts before buying any mpre players. Cue the " its a new company" scoundrels mantra
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