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Quote: red in buxton "Well i have read some of what has been written about the match yesterday, and i must of been at a diff match from some of you.

The first 20 mins we were awful, and very lucky not to be at least 18 points down, with a diff referee we could well of been, this one had not read the anti Salford rule book written by the head of refs. the decisions he gave were the right ones forward passes etc, but out players were so out of place and didnt even look like a team , so once again i say we were lucky to be still holding onto the game, those penatlys dont norm go our way. The fans are on the players backs .
Round about that time Theo comes on the pitch>>>>>> and the game changes alltogether, Rangi comes alive the team wakes up, the fans are with the team, dont get me wrong it was not a walk in the park, but Theo changed things, and then in the second half, Theo is taken of injured /tactics god only knows, but the team lost there way again and we struggled to hold to a win.

Now if i can see that Theo is adding sumthing to the team when he is on the pitch, unless the lad is injured he must start every week for me,
Harris said every player has to prove he is good enough and will not be selected by name alone, maybe Theo should change his name. im not against any certain player but why play a player if he is not match fit/ fully fit when we have another team player who can play in his position who is fully fit just amazes me.'"


Have you proposed to Theo yet?

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I've not really been impressed with Theo to be honest.

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Quote: red in buxton "The fans are on the players backs .
Round about that time Theo comes on the pitch>>>>>> and the game changes alltogether, Rangi comes alive the team wakes up, the fans are with the team, dont get me wrong it was not a walk in the park, but Theo changed things, and then in the second half, Theo is taken of injured /tactics god only knows, but the team lost there way again and we struggled to hold to a win.
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Agreed but Tasi also made a big impact in terms of changing the momentum of the game. Best forward on the pitch by a country mile.

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I like Theo and think he'll be one of our halves for years to come if we keep hold of him. He's still young though, and there's room for improvement. He's a great attacking player, personally I see him as more of a 6 than a 7. He plays his heart out every time he's on the pitch and that goes a long way.

On the other hand, he's a nightmare in defense at times, so many times he just gets knocked on his rear or bounces off defenders.

He had some good runs yesterday & went well. He also got knocked about a bit in defence. Along with Walton he let Wakey in for an easy 2nd try.

I was hoping he'd fill out a bit more but that's starting to look less and less likely unfortunately, he really could do with a bit of a late growth spurt!

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Theo's playing well but the game changer yesterday was when Tasi and Walton came on to give it some enthusiasm.
Yes,we had looked lethargic until then and could have been further behind

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Some of Salford fans love affair with Theo is embarrassing. I got cained of a group of peole on twitter because I dared to critise his performance. His game only is to run from dummy half. He can't kick, can't pass with speed and precision, gets run over all time in defence. His enthusiasm is great don't get me wrong, but he's not this player people make out, he could turn into good player but at the minute he no where near.

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Quote: builditandtheycome "Some of Salford fans love affair with Theo is embarrassing.'"


Agreed.

Quote: builditandtheycome " I got cained of a group of peole on twitter because I dared to critise his performance. His game only is to run from dummy half. He can't kick, can't pass with speed and precision, gets run over all time in defence. His enthusiasm is great don't get me wrong, but he's not this player people make out, he could turn into good player but at the minute he no where near.'"


That's no closer to the truth than the people having the love affair with him though.

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Quote: red in buxton "Well i have read some of what has been written about the match yesterday, and i must of been at a diff match from some of you.

The first 20 mins we were awful, and very lucky not to be at least 18 points down, with a diff referee we could well of been, this one had not read the anti Salford rule book written by the head of refs. the decisions he gave were the right ones forward passes etc, but out players were so out of place and didnt even look like a team , so once again i say we were lucky to be still holding onto the game, those penatlys dont norm go our way. The fans are on the players backs .
Round about that time Theo comes on the pitch>>>>>> and the game changes alltogether, Rangi comes alive the team wakes up, the fans are with the team, dont get me wrong it was not a walk in the park, but Theo changed things, and then in the second half, Theo is taken of injured /tactics god only knows, but the team lost there way again and we struggled to hold to a win.

Now if i can see that Theo is adding sumthing to the team when he is on the pitch, unless the lad is injured he must start every week for me,
Harris said every player has to prove he is good enough and will not be selected by name alone, maybe Theo should change his name. im not against any certain player but why play a player if he is not match fit/ fully fit when we have another team player who can play in his position who is fully fit just amazes me.'"


Perhaps the chairman should stop picking the team

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Quote: scoot "Perhaps the chairman should stop picking the team'"


I dunno really.
If he's picking the team,he's doing ok,we're 6th.
Most of the fans would've picked a very similar team

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Quote: Bonita Red "
If he's picking the team,he's doing ok,we're 6th.
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Quote: theredshed "Joint 4th reads better to me
Joint 4th is a lie though. Or ignorant.

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Quote: builditandtheycome "Some of Salford fans love affair with Theo is embarrassing. I got cained of a group of peole on twitter because I dared to critise his performance. His game only is to run from dummy half. He can't kick, can't pass with speed and precision, gets run over all time in defence. His enthusiasm is great don't get me wrong, but he's not this player people make out, he could turn into good player but at the minute he no where near.'"


You made a fair point, then ballsed it up by exaggerating the reasons.

He's a work in progress. Still learning and very young. He's got good pace, he's a tough little player, and his passing speed and accuracy are higher than most, so I don't know who you've been watching for the last few years. He will be a fine player given time. Most people can see this.

I'm presuming you got fleeced at a French restaurant, or your wife ran off with an onion seller or something.

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Quote: TheButcher "You made a fair point, then ballsed it up by exaggerating the reasons.

He's a work in progress. Still learning and very young. He's got good pace, he's a tough little player, and his passing speed and accuracy are higher than most, so I don't know who you've been watching for the last few years. He will be a fine player given time. Most people can see this.

I'm presuming you got fleeced at a French restaurant, or your wife ran off with an onion seller or something.


I do watch, he does that daft pop up pass where the ball rotates vertically and if he has to make a medium to long range pass, he swings his arms so far back, it predictable pass. I stand by what I say, he being used as a interchange hooker and inject pace into the game and he doing an OK job that all. His plays are predictable aswell, running sideway, then a pop up pass. I'm not put the kid down as no player is without fault. My gripe is with the fans who have put him this peddistool, booing a seasoned pro who is alot better than Theo, is ridiculous. Some of our fans have not got a clue, its embarrassing.
The game is about opinions though and mine is just that, I'm prepared to be shotdown if he turns into this world class player people think he already is....

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I honestly don't know how anyone can criticize Theo. I've never seen him have a bad game for Salford since his arrival.

His defence is quality for his size and he plays well above his weight. Don't forget he's only just 20 years old. Imagine what he will be like at 26...frightening I tell you!

I know he likes to play at Scrum Half but I have always seen him as a Hooker because of his defence capabilities and workrate.

He does need to improve his kicking game, especially his long range one. I'm sure Dobson and Chase can't help him there no problem.

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Quote: DEVILS2015 "I honestly don't know how anyone can criticize Theo. I've never seen him have a bad game for Salford since his arrival.

His defence is quality for his size and he plays well above his weight. Don't forget he's only just 20 years old. Imagine what he will be like at 26...frightening I tell you!

I know he likes to play at Scrum Half but I have always seen him as a Hooker because of his defence capabilities and workrate.

He does need to improve his kicking game, especially his long range one. I'm sure Dobson and Chase can't help him there no problem.'"


I think most people do rate him.

Some people vastly overrate him though. He's a good player who always seems to put in 100%, he'll hopefully become a great player that we build a team around but that time isn't now.

I'd disagree on his defence, that's his biggest downfall by far. If he stays in the halves he can get away with it a lot more than at hooker. If he's moulded more into the hooker role he'll probably be limited to coming on as an impact player against tiring defenses and I think that would be doing him a disservice.

As I said earlier, I see him as more of a 6 than a 7, I wouldn't be surprised if he makes that spot his own when Rangi moves on. Assuming we don't keep buying halves and force him out of the team.

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