I've never been to a board meeting or been involved in any way with the inner workings of the club, so I don't know whether he runs the club with his head, his heart or any part of his body. However, it seems you do, so, if you were John Wilkinson and you were running the club with your head and not your heart, what would you do differently? For each thing you'd do differently, tell us where you'd get the money to pay for it. And, just to make it more interesting, you can't use the words "sack", "Simms" and "Tarry".

As far as I'm concerned it's your continual repeating of the "we need change" mantra that I take issue with - not that I disagree with you, I don't think anyone does, but just continuing to repeat it without anything constructive or remotely realistic is pretty annoying.

I put a proposal many months ago in the "lets get rid of Sean McCrea" thread to suggest we did a Barcelona - 2,000 fans each find £2,000 - there's £4 million, lets have a supporter owned club, bud sadly there were no takers

So Mr Dantes Inferno (I presume you are male?) - what positive ideas do you have?

There you go, two other like minded posters who have reasonable questions for you and have responded for me essence.

So anybody who does not agree with you is of low average intelligence,and should go back to school to learn how to construct a sentence,READ YOUR POST.

Agreeing/disagreeing is fine. In fact it's quite healthy on a message board. However, blindly repeating a quite stupid point long after it's been uncovered as an indesputably stupid point is... well... quite stupid.

I don't think he is saying that, just pointing out that some people can't see the wood for the trees, as someone who is a director of three social enterprises, I know how difficult sometimes to separate your head from your heart, but sometimes you have to make hard decisions, I believe in the enterprises and co-founded two of them (not including Salford City Radio) so they are like my children and I would assume JW has a similar view of Salford only he has put a lot more money in than I to the social enterprises. We are lucky that we follow Salford with our hearts and don't have to use our heads, and the club maybe mismanaged in some people's opinions, but it is still there for us to support and that is because of JW's heart not his head.

Condescending perhaps - truthful? Most definitely, Ive had to explain the situation to you nigh on 4 times.

As soon as you realise you've said wrong, you back track, change your story and attack something else. You base all your post's on your feelings toward's the club and what you think goes on behind the scenes, this is wrong, All's I have ever done is explain why it is without JW the club would have had substantially less financial backing and would not have survived without his input. The club loses money. He has kept it afloat.These are fact's. That may not be how we want the club run but considering the economic climate and looking at every cornerstone business that has announced future/current bankruptcy (Woolworth's - GAP - AVIS - Goodyear - etc) since the recession began, we've done pretty well.

To answer your question - you are getting through just fine, as you mention at the end of that post. "We need change now"

I fully understand what you are saying, but what you are saying is wrong. Have you read none of my previous post's. I agree change is needed, but change is not possible simply because our board are up-to there necks in it.

You say you respect JW's passion and this is why the club has been managed poorly. You don't know that, and you do not respect the chairman's passion, as your previous post's state, and I quote"Yeah the chairman may of put is hand in his own pocket on a few occasions but what salford fan would'nt in his position. If he was'nt making any money from salford he would'nt be doing it, come on. He certainly is'nt doing it out the goodness of is heart"

You need to make your mind up and get your story straight. You also need to read my previous post's properly, digest them, and then think before you fire away with your finger's. Like I said, you keep changing your story, I think you've whittled it down to just wanting change? SS possibly? I'm not sure. I am sure that once again, you'll completely ignore the current position the club's in and blindly demand change at the top...

First thing i would do is to make Simms kit man,Tarry water carrier,hows that for a start? What would you do.?

Exactly, and there you have it mitie mouse. I don't have a problem with DI's view that the club need's to be managed better, it's just he blindly say's the same thing (not very well) which isn't possible. The reason I refer to a low intelligence is because I've explained the situation in plain straight forward English about four time's, and there's no way you couldn't understand that unless you were not intellectually adequate. Then all's he does is back track and change his angle of attack while trying to justify his answer by saying it's me that doesn't understand... and I'm not alone in putting him straight.

- possibly the funniest of the 3...

I don`t think anybody on this board wants to see our club fail,even D.I,i believe his posts are from somebody who is really concerned about where the club is heading,more concerned than others,maybe the club is fine and dandy,i hope it is,in all honesty where do you see the club in three years time?Would`nt it be nice for the club to make us aware what is happening,maybe then we can all stop bitching and stop this point scoring exercise which is getting really boring now,and get behind SALFORD.

I agree he's concerned but his solution is badly concluded, and his critisim of JW is vile. Here's a snippet of what you may have missed..

You can't seem to get through to some people on here. All im going to say on the matter, JW is the person who has put us in the 5hit, end of story.

Yeah the chairman may of put is hand in his own pocket on a few occasions but what salford fan would'nt in his position. If he was'nt making any money from salford he would'nt be doing it, come on. He certainly is'nt doing it out the goodness of is heart. (although he would want us to think that.)


anythings better than this shower we have running the show at the moment.
But tbh i can'tsee it happening with our current debt situation caused through the great management of our owners.

Bad marketing and terrible misjudged appointed coaches, a decent chairman would address this issue.
What is it with you wilky a5slickers

Simply keeping the club afloat is'nt good enough of 29 years in charge. Were a laughing stock of super league.

You cannot be 100% sure that there is any shortfalls. Who are you, JWs accountant. There is no way on this earth the board are doing this for nothing. End of story.

SO WHAT HE.S KEPT US AFLOAT WOW



And so on...

I don't know how you could write those thing's and actually believe they make sense or are true for that matter. Had we had someone turn up to JW and say " I'm mega wealthy - I can clear your debt - plough millions into the club, and I'm passionate as well" Then as JW said himself, he would hand the club over, but the problem is we haven't. So that leaves us with JW. Now if you took JW out of the equation (as DI advises) and realistically tried to run the club and make a profit we would possibly be sitting in the 2nd or 3rd division. However JW being a proud Salfordian has decided along with the board that Salford need to remain in SL to become bigger and better, but with this come's the debt, which JW and the board have footed..

I really don't get what's hard to understand about that. No JW - no Super League. Probably no Barton. Now DI insist's we need a clear out from the very top because of how poorly the club is run, now does he make that assumption from us (i)being a yo-yo team or does he make that assumption (ii)on the past couple of week's when MP left, or doe's he make that assumption based (iii) on personal feeling's ?.

Either way he has not once been constructive. He's simply spouted incorrect rumour's based on how he think's JW run's the club, and been vile about him in the process. DI really gets me on the "keeping the club afloat" one.... err isn't having a club to support the main point...especially in SL....have you really just said that!!! He genuinely believes the club is in debt directly because of JW - he doesn't seem to grasp that to operate a club at SL level you need a massive fan base and generally allot of money, obviously good players who demand big wages allso, he doesn't JW has simply funded this journey making some mistakes along the way. WITH HIS OWN MONEY, thats the point. Now look were we are today, New stadium & New SL license. With that in mind how can he say what he's said ?

get behind salford! i used to be ballboy at salford in the early nineties,and the club then was going nowhere as it is now.The board and jw need to go.in the next 5 years well be in division1 playing at sales ground with blue seats.Sick of hearing people saying get behind salford,iv been behind them for years,i even called me budgie GIBBO (steve gibson) when i was 13 hahaha.Nothing will change at salford unless a new buyer buys DT,s moustache.

Did your budgie wear a skull cap like Gibbos? Welcome on board,you do realise you are in for a torrent of abuse now after that posting.

Classic. Haha. I spend half my day explaining Salford's situation to Dantes Infuriates and you stroll on willy nilly and post that. Ahhh well. If you don't understand why no one will buy in. Read back. If you don't understand why JW has helped us stay out of the lower divisions. Read back also.

Lyrad Red, Barton Flyer, Bigpev,Ex.Salford.Uni etc STOP

The likes of Mitie Mushythinking and Delirium Internal are convinced that their little fantasy world is correct: Mr H Potter will be there in a minute and save us from JW.

You cannot convince them for three reasons:
1. They are as logical as a chicken in a wood at night
2. You are mislead by emotional ties to JW ( ): you are not to be trusted ( )
3. They are very good at spending "someone's" money to allow them to continue their life: but not their own. I'm sure, allowing them to do as they and their Leigh-size supporters will, they'll put their homes on a second mortgage (or parents' rented home) to take over Salford; sack Simms and others (including us: why?) and lead us to success in Division 3.

STOP.

They need doggie training so until they learn to plop in private, I suggest we stop feeding the deluded, stop encouraging the puerile, and enjoy the fact that they cannot argue. By the way, that sentence ends "full stop".

By the way BF, as a grandDAD, how did you stand that, as a female, your very feisty daughter cannot argue.