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| Quote Lyrad Red="Lyrad Red"You've been saying the same thing for nearly a week now. I think it's got to the stage where your arguing with yourself.
It can be safely established that we all agree the chairman (and Co) has'nt run the club very well, or as well as we would have liked to now see the club be competetive week in week out....that ISNT the argument or the point.
THE POINT IS THIS....Without that man and his passion (passion not professionalism) for the club any other man in his position would have pulled out and put it down as a lost business venture. Simple.
Were not disagreeing that his "professionalism" of running a RL club isnt up too much, and were not using it as an excuse, the point is had he not kept the club afloat we could now be sitting in the middle of a lower division were the club may not be in as much debt.
I hope you understand that, I'm getting sick of coming on here seeing this thread at the top, only to see you make the same point over and over.'"
For goodness sake, stop mentioning if it was'nt for JW we would be elsewhere. We would never know. We could say the same thing about other chairman in superleague. If it was'nt for him we'd be here or there. SO WHAT HE.S KEPT US AFLOAT WOW. Talk about putting the same point across LOOK AT YOURSELVES.
As for your other point regarding passion. So because he is passionate we cannot question his runnings of the club. Give me a break its amateur, and we deserve to be where we are.
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| Quote Karlos13="Karlos13"Swinton have basically got a 2 year championship franchise as there is no relegation next season.'"
I agree with you.It's the stupidity of the RL.
In my opinion your playing standard should dictate which League you are in at least it makes for an interesting season that way.
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| Quote Dantes Inferno="Dantes Inferno"For goodness sake, stop mentioning if it was'nt for JW we would be elsewhere. We would never know. We could say the same thing about other chairman in superleague. If it was'nt for him we'd be here or there. SO WHAT HE.S KEPT US AFLOAT WOW. Talk about putting the same point across LOOK AT YOURSELVES.
As for your other point regarding passion. So because he is passionate we cannot question his runnings of the club. Give me a break its amateur, and we deserve to be where we are.'"
It's not a matter of mentioning it. It's a matter of helping you understand the situation, which you still clearly don't. You need to understand that were not defending JW's running of the club. Not for one minute am I saying you can't question that, and perhap's if it had not been mismanaged we may not find ourselves in the position were in today. I'm simply pointing out that without this very man and his cash the club would have entered into administration. That isn't an "if or a "but" it's a fact. The club is losing money, he does not have to put his hand in his own pocket to keep it afloat, and that goes for the rest of the board. Could they not afford nor wish to put anymore money into the club then we would announce insolvency and enter into administration and possibly forfeit our position in SL. With that being said and as I've mentioned before had money not been ploughed into the club in 07/08 (when our debt spiralled) then Widnes would have scraped it over ourselves.
"So what he's kept us afloat!" - exactly what planet are your from. That's a pretty big factor were having a club to support is concerned.... I can't believe I'm having to retort to such a low form of intelligence and such narrow minded comment's.
I refer to your earlier comment's
"Yeah the chairman may of put is hand in his own pocket on a few occasions but what salford fan would'nt in his position" This is what is referred to as passion - the very thing you think has no bearing on the club has kept it "afloat" had he followed his head and not his heart he wouldn't have put money into a losing business and as mentioned we would have become insolvent....got it ?
No one is going to step in and replace him unless:
(i) They are uber rich and can immediately right off the £4,000,000 debt to start a fresh.
(ii) Are as passionate about SCR to do the above.
I agree we need a younger sharper minded individual, but we need someone who is mad enough to do the above, you reckon thats likely in today's climate - not a very appealing preposition is it, and that's the the problem with your tirade of "JW out" - He can't be replaced
If he was'nt making any money from salford he would'nt be doing it, come on. He certainly is'nt doing it out the goodness of is heart. (although he would want us to think that.).- Haha, how misguided are you, that's exactly what he's doing, but you actually contradict your first comment here - one minute he puts he hand in his pocket, the next he's making a profit - which one is it ?
As referred to earlier - you say you have no vendetta, however comments like that say different - JW has a hidden agenda? What would that be? to lose money at SCR's
I hope this finally get's through what appear's to be a 6 inch thick skull. It really isn't that hard to comprehend, and just before you go off on one please try and grasp the fact that WE AGREE the club should have been managed better especially by JW and that just because he's put his hand in his pocket it doesn't exclude him from CONSTRUCTIVE criticism however before you call for him to be replaced or leave SCR's please RE-READ the above, again...and again,,,
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| [iI hope this finally get's through what appear's to be a 6 inch thick skull. It really isn't that hard to comprehend, and just before you go off on one please try and grasp the fact that WE AGREE the club should have been managed better especially by JW and that just because he's put his hand in his pocket it doesn't exclude him from CONSTRUCTIVE criticism however before you call for him to be replaced or leave SCR's please RE-READ the above, again...and again,,,[/i
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| 17 pages (so far) to clarify that the directors aren't money grabbing fat-cats dredging the copious riches of the club. It beggars belief.
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| But what did he do with the Myler money...... 
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| Quote EX.SALF.UNI="EX.SALF.UNI"17 pages (so far) to clarify that the directors aren't money grabbing fat-cats dredging the copious riches of the club. It beggars belief.'"
It really is hard to believe, and it just shows how some people's imaginations work overtime.
They're obviously looking for someone to blame when things don't live up to there expectations, but for the like's of Dantes Inferno to believe so strongly that JW is taking home a tidy profit and has a hidden agenda just depicts the low average intelligence of society today. People need to go back to school. Learn how to READ & construct a sentence, and actually THINK about what they're saying, while trying to absorb some common sense were possible, because it's that sort of attitude and opinion which is dragging society and SCR down.
A little melodramatic perhaps, however, not far from the truth.
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| Lyrad Red you talk utter drivel. Who the do you think you are. You revert to condescending and insulting remarks. I respect the chairmans passion, personality. Just not his proffessiomalism as agreed. So whats your argument with me . I'll say it again because i don't seem to be getting through to you. If he ran the club with his head not his heart he would'nt have to revert to his pocket would he, Vendetta my im just a salford fan questioning the pathetic running of the club, We need change now, because in 3 years time when the franchises are reviewed it'll bye bye salford hello manchester.
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| Quote Dantes Inferno="Dantes Inferno"Lyrad Red you talk utter drivel. Who the French Connection UK do you think you are. You revert to condescending and insulting remarks. I respect the chairmans passion, personality. Just not his proffessiomalism as agreed. So whats your argument with me . I'll say it again because i don't seem to be getting through to you. If he ran the club with his head not his heart he would'nt have to revert to his pocket would he, Vendetta my booty im just a salford fan questioning the pathetic running of the club, We need change now, because in 3 years time when the franchises are reviewed it'll bye bye salford hello manchester.'"
I've never been to a board meeting or been involved in any way with the inner workings of the club, so I don't know whether he runs the club with his head, his heart or any part of his body. However, it seems you do, so, if you were John Wilkinson and you were running the club with your head and not your heart, what would you do differently? For each thing you'd do differently, tell us where you'd get the money to pay for it. And, just to make it more interesting, you can't use the words "sack", "Simms" and "Tarry".
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| Quote Dantes Inferno="Dantes Inferno"....We need change now.....'"
As far as I'm concerned it's your continual repeating of the "we need change" mantra that I take issue with - not that I disagree with you, I don't think anyone does, but just continuing to repeat it without anything constructive or remotely realistic is pretty annoying.
I put a proposal many months ago in the "lets get rid of Sean McCrea" thread to suggest we did a Barcelona - 2,000 fans each find £2,000 - there's £4 million, lets have a supporter owned club, bud sadly there were no takers
So Mr Dantes Inferno (I presume you are male?) - what positive ideas do you have?
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| Quote Red John="Red John"Quote Red John="Dantes Inferno"Lyrad Red you talk utter drivel. Who the French Connection UK do you think you are. You revert to condescending and insulting remarks. I respect the chairmans passion, personality. Just not his proffessiomalism as agreed. So whats your argument with me . I'll say it again because i don't seem to be getting through to you. If he ran the club with his head not his heart he would'nt have to revert to his pocket would he, Vendetta my booty im just a salford fan questioning the pathetic running of the club, We need change now, because in 3 years time when the franchises are reviewed it'll bye bye salford hello manchester.'"
I've never been to a board meeting or been involved in any way with the inner workings of the club, so I don't know whether he runs the club with his head, his heart or any part of his body. However, it seems you do, so, if you were John Wilkinson and you were running the club with your head and not your heart, what would you do differently? For each thing you'd do differently, tell us where you'd get the money to pay for it. And, just to make it more interesting, you can't use the words "sack", "Simms" and "Tarry".'" Quote Red John="BartonFlyer"As far as I'm concerned it's your continual repeating of the "we need change" mantra that I take issue with - not that I disagree with you, I don't think anyone does, but just continuing to repeat it without anything constructive or remotely realistic is pretty annoying.
I put a proposal many months ago in the "lets get rid of Sean McCrea" thread to suggest we did a Barcelona - 2,000 fans each find £2,000 - there's £4 million, lets have a supporter owned club, bud sadly there were no takers
So Mr Dantes Inferno (I presume you are male?) - what positive ideas do you have?'"
There you go, two other like minded posters who have reasonable questions for you and have responded for me essence.
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| Quote Lyrad Red="Lyrad Red"It really is hard to believe, and it just shows how some people's imaginations work overtime.
They're obviously looking for someone to blame when things don't live up to there expectations, but for the like's of Dantes Inferno to believe so strongly that JW is taking home a tidy profit and has a hidden agenda just depicts the low average intelligence of society today. People need to go back to school. Learn how to READ & construct a sentence, and actually THINK about what they're saying, while trying to absorb some common sense were possible, because it's that sort of attitude and opinion which is dragging society and SCR down.
A little melodramatic perhaps, however, not far from the truth.'"
So anybody who does not agree with you is of low average intelligence,and should go back to school to learn how to construct a sentence,READ YOUR POST.
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