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| If Harris is playing Fages under the instruction from Koukash, then he should walk now. No coach should listen to the opinion of an owner regardless of their experience or knowledge within RL.
Also, why are persisting to play someone who doesn't want to be at the club anymore particularly when it is at the detriment to the balance of the team. It is an absolute travesty that Niall Evalds wasn't playing last night and even worse not having Rangi in the halves. I thought Fages was brilliant last night though, but when all 3 half backs are fit a difficult choice has to be made. Dobson or Theo - simple as that. As a coach you're paid to make difficult choices, Harris appeared to yesterday sh*t out of making such difficult choice and opted to drop the quiet kid who earns next to nothing.
Pathetic decision.
With regards to Harris, get rid now. If you're thinking he can do any better than he currently is you're deluding yourself. As has been said previously, the bloke has failed wherever he has gone. Wigan were more than happy to see him leave too, no surprises.
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| Quote: scoot "I can see us finishing 12th, Wakefield might get some results and overtake us.'"
If Wakefield do not win tonight, that is impossible. Wakefield need to win every match they have left and Salford would need to lose all theirs.
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| Apart from the bizarre team selection again, constant penalties and dreadful error at the end, where was the consistency from a number of the players considering the magnitude of the game (that lies with the coach in my eyes as does the penalties)? I worry as I have for some time about the coach situation and whether with the squad we have at our disposal he will be capable of successfully getting us through the middle eights - for me, even at this late stage a change is needed i'm afraid. I'm devastated with last nights result tbh and very dissapointed with what could and should have been this season. Something has to give.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "If Harris is playing Fages under the instruction from Koukash, then he should walk now. No coach should listen to the opinion of an owner regardless of their experience or knowledge within RL.
Also, why are persisting to play someone who doesn't want to be at the club anymore particularly when it is at the detriment to the balance of the team. It is an absolute travesty that Niall Evalds wasn't playing last night and even worse not having Rangi in the halves. I thought Fages was brilliant last night though, but when all 3 half backs are fit a difficult choice has to be made. Dobson or Theo - simple as that. As a coach you're paid to make difficult choices, Harris appeared to yesterday sh*t out of making such difficult choice and opted to drop the quiet kid who earns next to nothing.
Pathetic decision.
With regards to Harris, get rid now. If you're thinking he can do any better than he currently is you're deluding yourself. As has been said previously, the bloke has failed wherever he has gone. Wigan were more than happy to see him leave too, no surprises.'"
Definitely agree with this. And as a result of such nonsense we will probably end up ing Niall off and therefore could lose both him and Theo.
Full back should be Niall 100%, 6 should be Chase 100% as they are undoubtedly our best players in those positions. 7 should be left open for Theo and Dobson to contest over, if Theo wants automatic selection then so be it, he can find it somewhere else. I like Theo but we should not be pandering to players wishes when they put in a transfer request, it sends out a terrible message to anyone else who feels that they are indispensable to the club.
Whether or not it's Harris who had final say on the team last night, he is the manager and is paid to make tough selection decisions, he is paid to find a way to win games when we have a depleted squad and he is paid to stop players from consistently making individual errors which cost us games. The buck stops with him.
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| Quote: redwolf "Apart from the bizarre team selection again, constant penalties and dreadful error at the end, where was the passion and heart from a number of the players considering the magnitude of the game (that lies with the coach in my eyes as does the penalties)? I worry as I have for some time about the coach situation and whether with the squad we have at our disposal he will be capable of successfully getting us through the middle eights - for me, even at this late stage a change is needed i'm afraid. I'm devastated with last nights result tbh and very dissapointed with what could and should have been this season. Something has to give.'"
I think the lads did show some heart to get back into the game at 28-10 down. And there was nothing wrong with the commitment at Wigan a couple of weeks ago.
Individual 'daft' errors I would agree with, but maybe that's a result of the players actually caring and putting undue pressure on themselves? Someone (i.e. the Head Coach) needs to be aware of this and help fix the problem.
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| Agree the commitment was great against Wigan but just feel at times was lacking probably because of the pressure 'put' on them for this game. Agree it was shown for us to get back into the game but HKR were always looked like they were up for it more imo. I think i'm just totally fed up with all the false hope.
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| Quote: Chico "If Wakefield do not win tonight, that is impossible. Wakefield need to win every match they have left and Salford would need to lose all theirs.'"
Yes, it could happen
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| There is a lot of blame being attributed on social media to our team selection. My view is we lost the game because we defended poorly, gave away daft penalties as usual and failed to bother attempting to catch a ball directly from a kick off. Let’s remember we scored 28 points and that should be enough to win every game if the team defends properly. Special mention for Josh Griffin who kicked some excellent goals last night.
It was a mixed performance from Theo Fages, instrumental with some decent try assists but his defence also cost us a couple of tries. Dobson doesn’t look 100% fit but I thought in general our kicks up field were better than usual last night. Chase didn’t offer much at fullback and I think Harris needs to have a rethink.
It’s visually obvious the players aren’t enjoying playing rugby at the moment and lack confidence as individuals and we just don’t look like a team. The surprising factor and disappointment for me was that we didn’t look like a side that had enjoyed 6 extra days preparation.
The team are lacking a spark and don’t seem to have the fire of really wanting a result. I know we fought back and scored a few tries last night but I didn’t think we had to work too hard for this. There is I believe a negative psychological factor surrounding this club that affects our players and this needs to be addressed. Hopefully this is something Tim Sheen’s can identify and resolve.
You also have to question what was said or not said at half-time by Harris because Hull KR came out second half and looked like they wanted it much more than we did. It’s also evident that Harris is allowing our centres to play like battering rams and our wingers never see the ball unless they get an occasional pass from Dobson or Chase. If there’s very little threat out wide it allows our opponents to close the space down the middle easier.
The main concern though for me is the failure to improve and resolve the same problems week after week. It's time for one of those cards on the table meetings I believe.
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| Quote: theredshed "here is a lot of blame being attributed on social media to our team selection. My view is we lost the game because we defended poorly, gave away daft penalties as usual and failed to bother attempting to catch a ball directly from a kick off. Let’s remember we scored 28 points and that should be enough to win every game if the team defends properly. Special mention for Josh Griffin who kicked some excellent goals last night.
It was a mixed performance from Theo Fages, instrumental with some decent try assists but his defence also cost us a couple of tries. Dobson doesn’t look 100% fit but I thought in general our kicks up field were better than usual last night. Chase didn’t offer much at fullback and I think Harris needs to have a rethink.
It’s visually obvious the players aren’t enjoying playing rugby at the moment and lack confidence as individuals and we just don’t look like a team. The surprising factor and disappointment for me was that we didn’t look like a side that had enjoyed 6 extra days preparation.
The team are lacking a spark and don’t seem to have the fire of really wanting a result. I know we scored a few tries last night but I didn’t think we had to work too hard for them. There is I believe a negative psychological factor surrounding this club that affects our players and this needs to be addressed. Hopefully this is something Tim Sheen’s can identify and resolve.
You also have to question what was said or not said at half-time by Harris because Hull KR came out second half and looked like they wanted it much more than we did. It’s also evident that Harris is allowing our centres to play like battering rams and our wingers never see the ball unless they get an occasional pass from Dobson or Chase. If there’s very little threat out wide it allows our opponents to close the space down the middle easier.
The main concern though for me is the failure to improve and resolve the same problems week after week. It's time for one of those cards on the table meetings I believe.
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Excellent post, Just a thought the coaching staff are paid to make sure we learn from our inability to stop giving silly penalties away, penalties lose matches therefore maybe it is the time for some serious question to be asked from our current coaching staff?
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| I have supported Harris throughout the poor period but with all the `stars` there last night expected a win though all the Bookies had it as +6 and they were spot on.
Sheens is the ONLY man in my view to decide on Harris. He will see the inner workings and whether players are developing and for me unless God was available I would stick with the current staff until seasons end unless the experienced Aussie has an alternative view.
Agree with much has been said especially from theredshed but I will be there Sunday supporting.
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| Quote: Early Bath "I have supported Harris throughout the poor period but with all the `stars` there last night expected a win though all the Bookies had it as +6 and they were spot on.
Sheens is the ONLY man in my view to decide on Harris. He will see the inner workings and whether players are developing and for me unless God was available I would stick with the current staff until seasons end unless the experienced Aussie has an alternative view.
Agree with much has been said especially from theredshed but I will be there Sunday supporting.'"
The question though EB is will Sheen's want to come in and rock the boat if he's only here until September? Tim Sheen's may think he will get lumbered with the caretaker coaching role if he advises the Doc to get shut of Harris. Getting a possibly helpless SL team relegated wouldn't look good on his impressive CV would it?
Some could say Tim's coming for an extra pay cheque, the British summer and an opportunity to do some homework for Australia?
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| I think we need to get a bit of perspective here.
Without trying to see everything through red tinted specs just think back to the Easter weekend - we beat Hudds away then were involved in 3rd place in the league playing 4th place - AND we won!!
What happened then was disastrous caused primarily by the players getting suspended though certainly the injuries didn't help either. The crisis was not handled well IMO - asking for games to be postponed and whingeing in the media just made our management (from owner downwards) look weak and ill prepared.
How much of that is directly down to IH is probably debatable, I strongly suspect that having Dr K as your boss brings it's own pressures and problems, but ultimately it is a results business and they aren't good (to say the least) - I wonder, if Catalans win on Sunday (by no means unlikely), whether he'll fall on his sword? Personally I hope he doesn't and that getting Tim Sheens in gives him a breathing space and that Sheens can create some kind of interface between the owner and the coaching staff to the benefit of all.
But, having said all that it is once more a bitterly disappointing, underachieving season though I do recall at the beginning of the new era many of us said (or thought privately) "I wonder how long it will take before it all goes t1ts up?"
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| You cannot blame Harris because Dobson cannot catch a ball,or that a clown gives free kick away when we are on the attack
Koucash going on about we have extended Sau and Griffins contracts they are not good enough,we could end up with the ex Australian coach in the championship
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| Quote: BartonFlyer "I think we need to get a bit of perspective here.
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Any professional sports team/coach that loses 9 out of 10 games with an expensively assembled squad will always be subject to scrutiny and criticism. Injuries, suspensions, bad luck, bad eggs, poor refs decisions etc, aren't relevant in the league table.
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| Your final point is key BF, yet ANOTHER disappointing and underachieving season. Why? I can only blame the head coach, what in his previous coaching positions did he do to deserve the Salford position?
I can see what Marwan was trying to do, bring in a young British coach who has learnt from McGuire and Wane to implement many of the positives which saw Wigan win titles and cups. Unfortunately it hasn't worked and that's because Harris isn't McGuire or Wane. He didn't have the credentials in the first place to deserve the position, most people in RL could see that at the time apart from Marwan Koukash (a man with no knowledge or experience of the sport).
I hope with Sheens coming on board, he can review the situation and recommends to MK the most appropriate action. Whilst I would love to see some stability at the club, I just cant accept that under Harris' leadership we are going to fulfil our potential.
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