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As attractive as the teamsheet is, the style of rugby too when it comes off, the club itself is showing itself to be a bit of a circus.

Berating fans & players, airing dirty laundry in public, etc, etc. I can see why this stuff would turn away potential fans - it's making me not want to bother at times. I think we need to sort our off-field image out far more than our on-field performances at the moment.

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Why do we have this debate every time? I'm sick of hearing it especially from Martin Vickers, until we shake off the 'same old Salford' image the crowds are going to be relatively the same.

We've hardly done much to shake it so far this season especially with that Saints debacle, it's pretty simple really bit of success on the field and people will come. I was watching the Catalan game in the pub on Saturday and people sat up and took notice and at full time people were asking me when the next home game is...not hard is it, play well win a few and people will return.

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Quote: theredshed " It's all well and good officials at the club whining about numbers, but what are the club actually doing effectively to improve it?'"


Sadly the club hierarchy seem to think they have done an amazing job and everything is in place for the fans to come flocking in and to be fair there are some good mothers day offers on for Sundays game.

However, in pre season I and probably everyone else on here was looking forward to the marketing campaign on local buses and on the east lancs etc. For the first time probably since I have watched Salford we were going to have proper marketing of the club which was going to put Salford firmly back in the minds of the Salford public. Then what did we do? Drop the word 'Salford' from all promotional material, which resulted in an unidentifiable (to most of the city) 'Red Devils' brand on display which seemingly has had little or no impact.

Quote: theredshed "I would imagine the reasons are; defeat at Warrington despite great support, hammering off Saints in front of the TV cameras (cries of same old Salford), the bad press following Gareth Hocks ban and subsequent release from the club, the bad press following the clubs acceptance for Scotland RU to discuss terms with Kevin Locke and then this week a further story about some dancing. All I ever seem to be asked is, what's going on at Salford?

You just don’t hear about any of this stuff coming from other clubs. It’s been a very disruptive start and even following the internet hit of Rangi’s try and the great result last weekend we still managed to churn out a negative story.
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This is spot on.

The only game this season where there has been genuine excitement in the bulid up was Warrington, where we took probably our best away following in the superleague era. Since then we have had:

Koukash: 'I've had enough'
Hock: 6 game ban ending in a release from his contract.
Locke going/not going to union.
Locke enjoying himself on a day off.

The only upbeat story we have mustered from the club in this time is the Chase magic assist which as stated above was soon replaced by another Locke non story.

Added to this we have also had:
New club shop opening in January (still no sign of it).
Discounts on food and drink at the ground with a season ticket/membership (anyone?).

False promises and negative press will not exactly entice the Salford public to attend. Hopefully with our next few fixtures certainly being winnable, followed by hopefully some positive press for a change and we can build up to a bumper crowd vs Wigan on easter Monday.

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Quote: Talent Spotter "How many RL clubs sell thousands of tickets in advance for standard league games? Apart from the big clubs, the majority of the crowd figure for any game will be ST holders plus walk up fans on the day. There is no real requirement to pre order tickets in RL for most games. A £2 pre order discount makes little or no difference really.

Sadly the predictable 'Salford public are not interested' line is being trotted out already at the first opportunity. I look forward to a list of 30 positives of on the road games being drawn up over the course of the season.'"


The Salford public are clearly not interested.

Yes we've been rubbish for thirty years. Yes, Rome wasn't built in a day. But surely even the most die-hard optimist must be getting tired of pumping-out the same old reasons/excuses for simple lack of interest.

FWIW I don't think sticking us on the road will do a great deal with the Club's current record of doing things right off the field. Yet sitting on our backsides waiting for the mass of Salford to acknowledge our existence isn't doing much either.

I guess we'll have to hit the top four of SL then cross our fingers for the hordes to come flooding in. MK must feel like he's polishing a turd at the moment.

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Quote: TheButcher "The Salford public are clearly not interested.

Yes we've been rubbish for thirty years. Yes, Rome wasn't built in a day. But surely even the most die-hard optimist must be getting tired of pumping-out the same old reasons/excuses for simple lack of interest.

FWIW I don't think sticking us on the road will do a great deal with the Club's current record of doing things right off the field. Yet sitting on our backsides waiting for the mass of Salford to acknowledge our existence isn't doing much either.

I guess we'll have to hit the top four of SL then cross our fingers for the hordes to come flooding in. MK must feel like he's polishing a turd at the moment.'"


I disagree, as said earlier we attracted 7,200 to the corresponding fixture last season where as 12 months on and we’ll be lucky to scrape 3,500. Why did we get 7k plus less than 12 months ago? We had a whole off-season of positivity, a new owner who was signing good players and there was a genuine air of excitement surrounding the club.

The interest is out there, it’s been proven on numerous occasions but we won’t keep them coming back until we’re consistent both on and off the field.

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Quote: TheButcher "The Salford public are clearly not interested.

Yes we've been rubbish for thirty years. Yes, Rome wasn't built in a day. But surely even the most die-hard optimist must be getting tired of pumping-out the same old reasons/excuses for simple lack of interest.

FWIW I don't think sticking us on the road will do a great deal with the Club's current record of doing things right off the field. Yet sitting on our backsides waiting for the mass of Salford to acknowledge our existence isn't doing much either.

I guess we'll have to hit the top four of SL then cross our fingers for the hordes to come flooding in. MK must feel like he's polishing a turd at the moment.'"


Don't agree. Not going over it all again however as it has been discussed on numerous occasions. Like I stated on my previous post if we can get a decent run together over these next few winnable games then Wigan at home will hopefully have the potential for a bumper attendance.

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Quote: Talent Spotter "Don't agree. Not going over it all again however as it has been discussed on numerous occasions. Like I stated on my previous post if we can get a decent run together over these next few winnable games then Wigan at home will hopefully have the potential for a bumper attendance.'"


We'll see.

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Quote: theredshed "Could more be done to enhance the entire match day experience? Live music in and outside the stadium? Emerging local bands that need the exposure?

Cheaper or subsidised beer? Sponsorship - free samples, gifts or services?

Or why not create a large marquee area outside the stadium for local companies to exhibit and advertise. For instance to attract more women why not ask local salons to consider free pre match hair do's, nail polishing or makeover etc. Or local food shops to offer free samples? Car Manufacturers - free test drive around a small area of the carpark? The possibilities are endless. Perhaps have a system where you have to show your match ticket to qualify? Give these local firms a free pitch or stand and an advert in the match programme in return.

This is the kind of thing they seem to do very well at sports events in America. You have to think outside the box sometimes. It's all well and good officials at the club whining about numbers, but what are the club actually doing effectively to improve it?'"


You must be a bloke, what makes you think more women would attend the game if they could get their hair done? Would a barber make you more likely to go?

I can understand that families need the kids entertaining and that going to a game may need to be an "experience" We need to look at the timing of games and Mother's day probably isn't the best idea. People have commitments on such days and visiting Mum may be one of those.

We probably need to be realistic and say we will never be a top attraction in this area but the club need to address the small things first such as the atmosphere and costs.

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1. It's on the same time man u are on .love em hate em it has an impact
2. How many fans who are non season pass holders pre buy their tickets? Its hardly convenient.
3. Its mothering Sunday, unless the whole family is into RL it'll hard to sneak out the day your engineered to pay attention to the ..
Wife/mum/in-law/grandma.

4. Typical turn-up or else threat from our beloved owner, CEO, that most likely has the opposite reaction than the one intended.

5. Another quiet week where the club successfully managed to steer a positive on-field performance into whether an off duty player was allowed to boogie on the Ramblas with his shirt off.

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Quote: Ave It! "The attendance will be no higher than 3.2k, no matter what the Sunday brigade say. Going off the Friday/Sunday poll on twitter and the way people go on about Sunday rugby on here we should be getting 6k easy to every home Sunday home game. Friday or Sunday it makes no difference whatsoever, that my friends is fact. If anything I’d imagine we get less corporates on Sunday!!'"


But surely we're going to get the promised thousands of manufacturing sector workers turning up to swell the crowd.


Quote: Ave It! "Sunday rugby doesn’t make a difference in fact I bet we have averaged more on Fridays than we have on Sundays over the years (?). And for me this is why I don’t like Sunday’s because they clash with football.'"


Fridays could clash with football too from the next tv deal. We either start playing Sunday at 6.30pm to avoid any football clash, or just face the fact that we could have clashes with football in 6 months of an 8 month season and just make the product we offer good enough to withstand that.

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Sat 3pm KO maybe the answer next season

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I think it's less to do with which day we play, and more down to the constant changing in fixture dates and times. Season tickets would be more likely to sell if prospective buyers can plan around a specific day (Regardless of which day) Sky constantly chopping and changing dates and times to suite them, and constant clashes with local football matches are not helping.

So far (Including the upcoming game) we've had a Thursday @ 20:00, Saturday @ 19:30, and a Sunday @ 15:00.

Speaking from a season ticket holders point of view, it's hard to justify a financial commitment if, say, you could only do Fridays or Sundays. You add on all the self-inflicted bad press along with the MEN having a hard-on for negative Salford stories, MK's random outbursts, and Vickers issuing threats and negativity regarding fan base and it's surprising we get as many.

It's a shame, because the next few games of the season might be the most important for us in a while.

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Bring back the Golden Angel Scheme. Local school give out vouchers to reward pupils, once a chid has a certain number of vouchers, they can claim a free ticket to a home game as long as they are with a full paying adult. Even if only 100 children get a free ticket, that is still another 100 full paying adults, and overall an extra 200 people at the game supporting Salford. I remember this scheme getting us over 6000 for a pre-season cup game against Swinton, and if there is more than one child in a house, obviously if one is going any others will want to go as well.

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It was stopped last time because, " it was too much work "
However it was acknowledged that it was a success!

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Quote: TheButcher "The Salford public are clearly not interested.'"



Sadly this is the truth. United and City rule and unfortunately that isn't going to change.

However I do think we could entice people from the Manchester area more frequently if the game day experience was improved significantly.

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