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| Quote: Magic Superbeetle "The Burgess clan, Graham et al are lost to SL. What's important is making sure the next wave of players, the Percival's, Watkins, Suttons etc stay in the league. This can be achieved (at least financially) with the rules the rfl wants to bring in - and have brought in for the championship - without needing to chase "marquee exemptions" and massive cap increases pricing out half our competition.'"
So why has Joe Burgess decided to join the Roosters for 2016? He hasn’t achieved anything in Super League yet, in comparison to players like Watkins etc so a new challenge can’t be motivation behind his decision. Whatever these rules are that you mention they needed bringing in yesterday.
Also, marquee exemptions and cap increases should be relative to other income streams. If we hadn’t signed such a lengthy tv deal, an increased salary cap bringing the likes of the Burgess, Graham, Tomkins etc back to Super League would surely make it far more desirable and increase it’s product cost. Same goes for sponsorship too. However, as it is we’re tied in for the next x amount of years.
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| Quote: John Gilbert Reds "So why has Joe Burgess decided to join the Roosters for 2016? He hasn’t achieved anything in Super League yet, in comparison to players like Watkins etc so a new challenge can’t be motivation behind his decision. Whatever these rules are that you mention they needed bringing in yesterday.
Also, marquee exemptions and cap increases should be relative to other income streams. If we hadn’t signed such a lengthy tv deal, an increased salary cap bringing the likes of the Burgess, Graham, Tomkins etc back to Super League would surely make it far more desirable and increase it’s product cost. Same goes for sponsorship too. However, as it is we’re tied in for the next x amount of years.'"
Wigan refused to pay the going rate. They have a wage structure and decided not to break it - it seems to be a lot lower than other clubs. Burgess was courted since the wcc last year by roosters.
I agree, I have said since the rules were put forward in the rfl review in September 2013 that's they should be brought in with immediate affect. And they were brought in for the championship this season. SL clubs are still dragging their heels on the matter at an infuriating level ...
I'm not sure how much value Graham & Tomkins would add to any tv deal. They're recognition %s probably would be around the same levels as mid level prem players at best - not the same affect as a Ronaldo or Messi joining the prem.
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| There's a good article on RL salaries in February Forty-20.
Some of the points in it have been aired above.
It seems from the evidence that salaries have shrunk.
Wigan's wage bill in 1996 was £4.24 million and reduced to £2.53 million in 1997; the current salary cap is under £2 million. Elsewhere big stars were getting good wages and the others a lot less. Mind you, back then, you also had a job.
Both Wigan and Saints now have the reputation of having low salaries.
As very well expressed on VT, the issue is that few youngsters are taking up the sport and we need get used to this. Soccer/football and Rugby Union have much more attraction (the former can be played anywhere by anyone) and I cannot see that changing in what's left of my lifetime. So we have a very small pool of players compared to Aus.
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| Quote: Hillbilly_Red "Wigan's wage bill in 1996 was £4.24 million'"
This has to be nonsense. That's the inflation adjusted equivalent of £7m+ in 2015.
There are two big differences. 1: Talent pool/sourcing of talent. British RL doesn't do anywhere near enough in this respect. 2: Development of talent. The coaching is just not good enough or sophisticated enough at either Junior or Senior level. Differences in salary cap are only really a factor within the domestic leagues. As Marwan is learning the hard way throwing money at the situation is usually pointless if the right development and structures are not in place first or developed in conjunction.
Someone made the point earlier about how Widdop almost certainly wouldn't have developed in to the player he has in Super League and I definitely agree. I was having the same conversation in respect of Richie Myler at the weekend. He had the potential to be so much better had he spent some time in the NRL.
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| page 20 for your deliction. Further info:
Sheffield Eagles beat Wigan and their salary bill amounted to £780 000 according to Kear. Kear's Wakefield side of 2011 had a total salary of £850 000 In real terms this is a reduction.
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| I thought one of the major factors at weekend was fitness. When I watched us against saints we seemed to be ok for twenty minutes then completely fell away. I am not privy to this information but who is our fitness conditioner and are they any good?
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| Quote: REDRUM "I thought one of the major factors at weekend was fitness. When I watched us against saints we seemed to be ok for twenty minutes then completely fell away. I am not privy to this information but who is our fitness conditioner and are they any good?'"
I think you answered your own question there. Although should professional players also take some responsibility for there own fitness?
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Our fitness conditioner is Richie Hunwicks, was highly rated and came from Leeds. However pre-season just gone Harris also brought in Curtis Edgar ( www.lifetimeendurance.com/public/276.cfm) to work alongside Hunwicks.
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Our fitness conditioner is Richie Hunwicks, was highly rated and came from Leeds. However pre-season just gone Harris also brought in Curtis Edgar ( www.lifetimeendurance.com/public/276.cfm) to work alongside Hunwicks.
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| Quote: Diavolo Rosso "This has to be nonsense. That's the inflation adjusted equivalent of £7m+ in 2015.'"
I haven’t read the [iForty-20[/i article yet but I know Wigan claimed to have spent £3.2m on player salaries in 2001, which is why Super League gave them a dispensation for a year to operate at £2.4m because they couldn’t get under the reduced cap of £1.8m in 2002. Before the 40% limit and 50/50 laws were brought in, the insinuation was that most clubs were spending between 60%–80% of their turnover on player salaries (in which case, Wigan must have turned over impressive numbers).
I’d also like to know if the figures in the article are based on Wigan’s public claims in the 90s and early 2000s or actual accounts.
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| The only comment I can say regarding the cap is from a personal view point when I passed on a former Wigan player to an IFA for mortgage purposes, his declared salary at the time was declared in excess of £180k, granted personal sponsorship deals formed a small part of it.
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