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| Its no use though if you are relegated and loose the rest of the good players and lower crowds at games following season as happened at Wakey.
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| Quote: les-goose "Its no use though if you are relegated and loose the rest of the good players and lower crowds at games following season as happened at Wakey.'"
Similar has happened at Salford, and quite recently too. However, a long build from the bottom up is unlikely to be the best option for Salford and Marwan either. We need a decent team, and quick.
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| Quote: les-goose "Not sure if this idea would work sign a Marquee player pay him 5 times more than any other player and half the team buy into it and half think sod this he is getting x pounds more than me.It happened at Wakey years ago Wally Lewis great player £1000 per game paid by a fan not the club but half the team had the sod it let him do the graft and take the stick why should I on £90 for a win.'"
Wally Lewis played for Wakefield when most British players were part-time, so, inevitably, the pay differentials between Lewis and the rest of the squad were massive. That's not the case any more. Such pay differentials as there already are aren't going to be exacerbated to any great extent by the introduction of a marquee player. As newgroundb4wakey - who is obviously a huge fan of marquee player rule, despite previously arguing against it - the marquee players draw the punters in, and that's what we want isn't it?
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| Quote: les-goose "Its no use though if you are relegated and loose the rest of the good players and lower crowds at games following season as happened at Wakey.'"
That's not an argument against marquee players though is it? You could get relegated whether you've got a marquee player or not, and the effects are the same: you lose players and attendances drop. Let's not disappoint newgroundb4wakey. He's clearly jonesing for the marquee player rule.
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| Quote: Red John "Wally Lewis played for Wakefield when most British players were part-time, so, inevitably, the pay differentials between Lewis and the rest of the squad were massive. That's not the case any more. Such pay differentials as there already are aren't going to be exacerbated to any great extent by the introduction of a marquee player. As newgroundb4wakey - who is obviously a huge fan of marquee player rule, despite previously arguing against it - the marquee players draw the punters in, and that's what we want isn't it?'"
A completely different era John and completely different circumstances for me. Back then as you say there were no contracts (Wally apart) and it was mostly winning or losing pay and expenses for the elite. At the time I had a well paid job and young sons who had just started playing junior rugby. I would take them any where within reason to nurture their interest in rugby league. I'm a pensioner now and I wouldn't be able to afford to travel very far from home to away matches even if Sonny Bill or Slammin' Sam were playing for the opposition. Give me an honest answer to this :- did you get fed up of Wigan winning every thing before they self imploded and went bust. Thats why the salary cap was brought in to prevent teams going bust and even up the competition. For me the salary cap is just starting to work and this season has been the most open ever and a true test of the coaches ability. If you didn't have your current rich owner I doubt if you'de want the marquee signing. It would be a backward step for me but hey ho thats what forums are for.
p.s. The one thing that stood out for me when watching Wally was his 30 metre flat bullet pass. I'd never seen any thing like it but neither had any of the Trin players and no one could catch them much to Wally's disgust.
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| "did you get fed up of Wigan winning every thing before they self imploded and went bust"
No ...
apart from a bit of smugness as a salford fan re a couple of matches, I expected a smashing when we played Wigan and good games for the rest of the season.
Also, I feel the game and finance has moved on. To use a parallel sport, I could not see soccer, back in the 80's, affording the type of wages they have now.
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| Quote: newgroundb4wakey "A completely different era John and completely different circumstances for me. Back then as you say there were no contracts (Wally apart) and it was mostly winning or losing pay and expenses for the elite. At the time I had a well paid job and young sons who had just started playing junior rugby. I would take them any where within reason to nurture their interest in rugby league. I'm a pensioner now and I wouldn't be able to afford to travel very far from home to away matches even if Sonny Bill or Slammin' Sam were playing for the opposition. Give me an honest answer to this all[/i of the top Australian players play outside of Super League. What does that say about the competition? That most of the top players play elsewhere, and we're happy to send more over to join them because we can't offer them anything here? Is that a good thing? What do you think we should do about it? One idea is to allow one player to not count on the cap in the hope that we can attract some big names to come over here (or, in the case of the British players, to stay here). What do you suggest?
You yourself said you went to see Wally Lewis play for Wakefield, and I'd guess Wakefield's attendances took a bit of a boost when he came over. Isn't that what we want? To see the best players over here? To see attendances increasing instead of the steady malaise we have now? Although you may not be able to afford to travel to away games, other people can, so, having had the privilege of seeing players like Wally Lewis in the flesh, why are you in favour of pulling up the drawbridge so that no-one else gets to see players of that calibre over here?
Over to you. It's your turn to be honest now.
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| I've said it many times but a Marquee signing by every club in the comp would be a good idea, the RFL/SL should insist however that an equal amount to that players wages is committed to be spent on that clubs youth development.
That way we get the best talent either coming or staying in the short term but there is also increased investment in the betterment of the game over here in the long run.
Does anyone have any figures if the crowds increased when we signed Gary Jack, who at the time was just about the best full back in the world and one hell of a brilliant player bettered only by Gibbo
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| Quote: Michigan red "I've said it many times but a Marquee signing by every club in the comp would be a good idea, the RFL/SL should insist however that an equal amount to that players wages is committed to be spent on that clubs youth development.
That way we get the best talent either coming or staying in the short term but there is also increased investment in the betterment of the game over here in the long run.
Does anyone have any figures if the crowds increased when we signed Gary Jack, who at the time was just about the best full back in the world and one hell of a brilliant player bettered only by Gibbo
I can't see what would be gained by linking marquee players to youth development. What would the extra money allow, say, Wigan or Leeds to do that they aren't already doing?
Youth development should be given more prominence by, say, stipulating that a certain percentage (33% or more) of each club's first team squad should have come through its own academy. It shouldn't need linking to the marquee player.
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| The concept is if a club wants a Marquee player they need to invest more into youth development. This would be over and above what is already spent, there is no scenario when a club can spent enough on youth development.
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| Well over 50% of Wigan's first team squad are products of their academy, and there can't be too many other clubs in Super League who haven't got one or more Wigan academy products in their squads. Leaving aside some vague notion of a club never being able to spend enough on youth development, what more do you think they can realistically do?
By linking youth development to the marquee player, you're forcing those clubs that already invest in youth development to invest even more - in all likelihood taking them way past the point where they experience diminishing marginal returns - because other clubs don't invest enough. Penalising them for the failures of others, effectively.
In addition, by making the marquee player 50% more expensive, you're restricting it to even fewer clubs and driving an even bigger wedge between the haves and the have-nots.
Youth development is massively important to the sport, and yes, more should be spent on it, but linking it to the marquee player doesn't seem to be a fair and equitable way of achieving it.
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